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murillollirum 3rd February 2013 01:12 AM

Why hi-end speakers are so expensive? Only Bill Gate$ has hi-end at home?
 
Why high-end speakers are so expensive? I can not understand. Magico mini, for ex. costs $20,000 and uses a $500 scan speaker tweeter and a 6,5"midbass that maybe is less than $600,00 for the pair. What about wilson audio maxx II? that costs around $45,000???
Can a DIY speaker compete with these speakers spending 1/10 of the money?

Ed LaFontaine 3rd February 2013 02:15 AM

Why are they so expensive? The combination of interest in building something so special along with the talents to do so are rare.

DIY speakers can be better than "hi-end" commercial offerings. The Wilson Audio Maxx has flaws which have been identified. Though there are some speakers with technology which isn't available to diyers, even this of itself doesn't mean they are "best".

Then, there are the personal tastes of the listener, which certainly factors into determining "best".

bear 3rd February 2013 02:27 AM

To run a company, you have to pay the overhead and the taxes and the advertising expenses. This ads to the costs and increases the product's cost. You also have to include the cost of making the finished product look good. If the company has a dealer network there is a mark-up between the factory and the dealer, the dealer to the customer.

Even so, some products are greatly over priced.

My assumption is that many of these very expensive products are intended for ego gratification and as indicators of personal wealth. Sort of like a Bentley or Rolls Royce, maybe a Maybach?

Diy speakers can indeed compete, and certainly will cost less.

a.wayne 3rd February 2013 03:33 AM

What about DIY AMPS bear , better than high end 100k versions ...?

cotdt 3rd February 2013 04:10 AM

A $20,000 speaker is less expensive than a car, which just about everyone in my country has. Why only Bill Gates can afford it?

Yes, DIY is much cheaper, and can be adapted into the room acoustics and to personal tastes.

cotdt 3rd February 2013 04:22 AM

You don't even need 1/10 of the money. If you wanted that kind of rigidity as the Magico Mini, you can just use steel as the enclosure material. A Satori 6.5" woofer and HDS tweeter would be just as good, IMHO.

ScottG 3rd February 2013 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bear (Post 3353691)
To run a company, you have to pay the overhead and the taxes and the advertising expenses. This ads to the costs and increases the product's cost. You also have to include the cost of making the finished product look good. If the company has a dealer network there is a mark-up between the factory and the dealer, the dealer to the customer.

Even so, some products are greatly over priced.

My assumption is that many of these very expensive products are intended for ego gratification and as indicators of personal wealth. Sort of like a Bentley or Rolls Royce, maybe a Maybach?

Diy speakers can indeed compete, and certainly will cost less.

The strange thing is though, you rarely see any DIY'er that's creating AND implementing a design that (for its size/volume) pushes that boundary into what might be considered a "status" loudspeaker. (..I've often thought there is a DIY'er market there somewhere.)

On the other hand, if it happens on any forum (and obviously it does on occasion) - then it's this one. :)

I should note that Dealer markup often accounts for almost 50% of the cost, though some of the expenses may be covered by the Dealer (..like perhaps service on a warranty).

cotdt 3rd February 2013 04:42 AM

DIY does push the limit from time to time, like DIY plasma speakers, DIY AMT tweeters, line arrays, that gigantic subwoofer that destroyed minivans, etc.

gootee 3rd February 2013 04:42 AM

Almost nothing is sold at a price that is based on the actual cost of producing it. They usually sell things at the highest price that enough people are willing to pay. For example, many luxury cars are sold for about 6X their actual cost. (Maybe we should take up DIY car-building.) Specialty items, or those with much narrower markets, could be expected to have even larger factors. No one should have any problem with that. We should want them to make as much money as they can, so they can stay in business, and also figure out how to make even-better stuff that we might want. Anyway, we are all free to compete with them, if we think we can make and sell something as good for less.

If you are just looking for some to-die-for speakers, check out the "used" market. You can get something that is equivalent to a new speaker that would cost at least 5X what you pay for used. A good example of that are the used Magnepan speakers, such as MG 3.6/R and the little MG-12/QR (and others), especially now and in the last year, when they finally released new models and a lot of people are upgrading. Spend $500 to $2000 for used and get something that sounds like it cost $2500 to $10000.

ScottG 3rd February 2013 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by cotdt (Post 3353777)
DIY does push the limit from time to time, like DIY plasma speakers, DIY AMT tweeters, line arrays, that gigantic subwoofer that destroyed minivans, etc.

True, but it's by far the exception.

Even then, it's often not a fully "realized" result.

There are plenty of examples that push boundaries, but not many that are *finished* to the level of a "status loudspeaker".

Ex. several high eff. enthusiasts take their horn system to an extreme, but often enough the materials are not chosen for maximum performance, nor is the overall finish "dialed-down" to that ultra-detailed result. Heck, even the overall aesthetic of the system is often something that just isn't fully "finished". Altec A7 derivatives are truly a classic example.


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