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Old 4th February 2013, 01:50 AM   #41
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It is sometimes funny to consider the content in a 20K car as opposed to a 20K piece of audio equipment.
The materials cost in a $20k car is about $2k-$3k, which is about the same as in some $20k audio thing. The difference is that the car is mass produced, which cuts production costs dramatically.
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Old 4th February 2013, 03:38 AM   #42
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I don"t think the parts cost of a $20k car is $2k-$3k.
The markup on cars is not that great, but they are built by volume.
Sold by volume and very competitive market so dealer markup is stuff all.
Profits are made on options/accessaries and massive on replacement parts.
Comparing porsche or farrari to audio? how..... Sit in peak hour traffic for an hour every day
and watch the Porsche/Farrari sit behind you all the way....

Hiend audio, dealers will sell for what they can, good markup.

People will pay what they can afford for a brand name, looks (their view) or perseved sound (even with mp3`s)

Think yourself lucky there's so much info on the net, and it's just up to you to learn and experiment and find what you like.
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Old 4th February 2013, 05:46 AM   #43
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Why high-end speakers are so expensive? I can not understand. Magico mini, for ex. costs $20,000 and uses a $500 scan speaker tweeter and a 6,5"midbass that maybe is less than $600,00 for the pair. What about wilson audio maxx II? that costs around $45,000???
Can a DIY speaker compete with these speakers spending 1/10 of the money?
Its not confined to speakers, I find some of the 'top' end hifi these days rather vulgar in its design, especially as some of these designs are merely to make the pieces heavier and look more expensive and exotic. Same goes for magic cables and super expensive fuses..

The reality is there must be a market for all this stuff or it wouldn't exist.
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I've seen violins sell for $100,000. Why is it so expensive?
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Yes, so much in a 20K car, so little in a 20K hifi by comparison.
Mass production and competition are what push car prices down and func / quality up.
They also make money on servicing and parts... Thank heavens hifi's don't wear in the same way.
I suppose if someone created drivers that were miles better than best today and had service intervals, we would accept a shorter life and service for the extra performance?
Hifi is a different world - I suppose the fact it has to sit in the living room and appease counts for a lot of the inexcusable pricing.

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hi-fi is also a luxury product, where people are willing to pay more. the original question is best left to economists, as it has nothing to do with our engineering specialty.
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No problem - I agree with you.
I have only been able to hear my system in an unsuitable large other room - low ceiling, bare walls, over 70sqm.
It sounded better with about 40 bodies in it. a higher ceiling suitable furnishings and it would have been more interesting.

I do measure each stage dev and improve what's possible - you don't find hi-end manufacturers publishing individual driver freq SPL's, distortion, corssover points, in cab, in real rooms, from the listening seat do you...

One day - a mansion and several listening rooms - I'd love to have at least 3 rooms with different systems from key points in my life - to be able to go back and compare...

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Speedysteve7, I apologize for using your very nice system as an example for what I was saying. It was more aimed at presenting a perspective relating to the very high cost of some speaker systems. For example in most places - if you have the lot size one could add a rather decent sized attached or detached room/building for the same cost. Or build up and open the top of the house, etc... That's what I was getting at.

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I've seen violins sell for $100,000. Why is it so expensive?
because these ones are rather unique. How many people can make them?
How much costs a Steinway gran piano, and how much is the Steinway Lyngdorf full dipole system? Try to compare the mecanics involved and such..
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because these ones are rather unique. How many people can make them?
How much costs a Steinway gran piano, and how much is the Steinway Lyngdorf full dipole system? Try to compare the mecanics involved and such..
A violin is actually much simpler than a stereo system. And to me, all the good violins can be tuned to sound very similar. People seem to have no problem with $100k violins, but a $20k speaker makes people downright angry at its very existence.
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A violin is actually much simpler than a stereo system. And to me, all the good violins can be tuned to sound very similar. People seem to have no problem with $100k violins, but a $20k speaker makes people downright angry at its very existence.
concert violinist are you?
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