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Old 23rd December 2012, 09:18 PM   #51
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Sreten, I always thought of "kicks a#se" metal speakers as something that
can do at least 6dB more than those speaker will without the distortion.
Hi,

Easy to do with normal hifi drivers. e.g. the 10" in the the Tarkus easily
does + 6dB (more probably) over typical 6.5"/1" hifi speakers. YMMV.

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Old 23rd December 2012, 09:23 PM   #52
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I stopped reading there.
Hi, Well that is a very serious case of head in the sand is it not ? rgds, sreten.
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Old 23rd December 2012, 09:25 PM   #53
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Not really. Drop B is one octave above the standard B of a 5 string bass guitar.
No, it isn't.

Drop B is a tuning where B is the lowest string, but the other 3 are F#, B, and E. Note that there are two strings (1st and 3rd) are an octave apart: this is a drop tuning.

A 5-string bass is tuned B-E-A-D-G, simply the standard bass tuning, plus the B string, 5 semitones down from the low E.

5-string basses and 4-string tuned to drop-B have the same lowest frequency.
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Not really. Drop B is one octave above the standard B of a 5 string bass guitar.

Hi, your talking utter crap, rgds, sreten.

Drop B on the bass is the B of of a low tuned 5 string B, as opposed to a to high tuned 5 string C.
Its also the bass string of a dropped B, B,E,A,D 4 string bass.
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Old 23rd December 2012, 09:33 PM   #55
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Are Def Leppard/ Poison/Kings of the Sun considered as metal bands these days?
I have some of the early vinyl and personally I prefer to cross very low to a big midrange for that particular type of music
The fact that the actually recordings contain distorted guitar is no excuse for distortion in the reproduction and a couple of my recording do have some very deep bass in parts
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Old 23rd December 2012, 09:48 PM   #56
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We're talking 2 completely different things. I'm talking drop B guitar tuning vs. standard baritone guitar tuning also at the same B.

I did not touch on bass guitar tunings at all except noting that a baritone guitar match a 5 string bass as the the highest string on the 5 string bass in standard tuning is also a B just at on a 4 string bass in standard tuning. This highest string is at the same frequency as the low B on a drop B guitar tuning or a standard tuning baritone.

Either way, fundamental frequency matters little and generally there is very very little information in most metal music below about 50-60hz so good performance down to that is required. Also preferably with more headroom and better dynamics than smaller heavy membraned hi-fi drivers can manage at those frequencies.
Hi, No. Your talking about the wrong thing out of context, rgds, sreten.
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Old 23rd December 2012, 09:49 PM   #57
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My guitar is usually drop tuned to baritone, AEADGB |7|5|5|5|4|
Throw out little string (My gift to Feral, as he breaks his constantly)
Shift every string down away from me by 1 position.
.065 bass string for low A (because .058 from 7 string set just flops around)

And abuse an octave drop effect for actual bass lines.
Thus I have a potential fundamental at 27.5Hz, not often used...

I built 1955RE plan Karlson K15 cab (Sigma Pro 18A2 barely shoehorn'd).
Think a Neodymium 15 would have worked out a little better than my 18.
Was way punchier back when it only had the undersized DeltaPro 12...
Took a good thing (and it was amazing!) too far and lost the magic.

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You might look into Beta12-LTA. Maybe with tweeter like Hammer Dynamics.
A little Xmax limited, but you won't need to navigate any crossings that are
within the vocal range.

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Are Def Leppard/ Poison/Kings of the Sun considered as metal bands these days?
I have some of the early vinyl and personally I prefer to cross very low to a big midrange for that particular type of music
The fact that the actually recordings contain distorted guitar is no excuse for distortion in the reproduction and a couple of my recording do have some very deep bass in parts
Hi,

Not sure what the OP would consider heavy metal, but I'd expect these to be somewhere near.
Avenged Sevenfold - Buried Alive - YouTube *
Slipknot - Left Behind - YouTube

*The start isn't particularly "heavy", but it gets going by the end. I rather like this track - a rather good test, IMHO, of the sheer oomph of a system. Also check out "Nightmare", by the same artist.

There's also the usual Marilyn Manson etc.

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Old 23rd December 2012, 10:06 PM   #59
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Moondog you're on to the program for sure. Lot's of 5 string bass and even frequency division in heavy music. The idea that the stringed instrument fundamental doesn't exist results only from the multitude of existing systems that still can't do it for the fattest strings (even instrument amp/speakers), and all genres have synth in it these days. Once you run electronically processed guitar and bass straight into the board without going through speakers that have an Fs of 100 and 40Hz respectively, you're gonna have fundamental. You have to cover flat reproduction to 30 Hz or a lot of tracks will have something completely missing, lower is better if you have room, and the mid might need to go below 150 Hz or so for impressive smack from snare drums and small toms at very high power while not garbling everything further up to 2K. An "affordable quality" 8" midrange, better for dispersion, almost can't do it without a 12" midbass between it and the woofer. The objective is high power output without distortion, so you practically need pro sound drivers while treating them like you would hi-fi drivers, or you're not going to get it. To do a really great job you need pro sound drivers with hi-fi features like precision casting, machining, and assembly, effective cone and suspension treatment, shorting rings everywhere.. gets Very expensive.
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My guitar is usually drop tuned AEADGB |7|5|5|5|4|
Throw out little string (My gift to Feral, as he breaks his constantly)
Shift every string away from me by 1 position.
.065 bass string for low A (because .058 from 7 string set just flops around)

And abuse an octave drop effect for actual bass lines.
Thus I have a potential fundamental at 27.5Hz

I use a 1955RE plan Karlson K15 cab (Sigma Pro 18A2 barely shoehorn'd in).
Think a Neodymium 15 would have worked out a little better...
Hi,

Well good luck with that, low B is inaudible on most hifi's, and impossible
live, why I switched back to standard E and dropped D for the E string.

Low A whist being 27.5Hz is pretty useless in most circumstances,
your only going to annoy a lot the bass player your ******* off.

Stepping on other peoples feet is not a good idea, unless its
unison stuff, if it it isn't, I for one wouldn't be interested.

rgds, sreten.
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