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Old 23rd December 2012, 09:36 PM   #41
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Hi,

I can't be arsed to read all of this thread as its full of PA drivers,
which are not suited to home hifi if you analyse the problem well.
(That is why they are PA drivers and not home hifi drivers.)

In real life with real hifi systems it is a question of hifi balance.

You won't disappoint any metal fan by building these for them :
https://sites.google.com/site/undefinition/tarkus

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Bang for buck with about 100 hifi watts you can't do better.
Well you can, but for a lot more, a great value design.
(The bass will cream PA stuff, and that matters a lot.)

rgds, sreten.
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Old 23rd December 2012, 09:37 PM   #42
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more drivers, more sound pressure

but do you need it in a small room

oh, btw, you will need speakers that will handle 150watt amp
but the Tarkus suggested will probably still do fine with 60watt

or at least as long as your ears are ok
may not last so long
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Old 23rd December 2012, 09:47 PM   #43
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Sreten, I always thought of "kicks a#se" metal speakers as something that can do at least 6dB more than those speaker will without the distortion.

Maybe a ported 3012LF, a normal Delta 10, and the D220ti on its own horn. Something like that.

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Old 23rd December 2012, 09:53 PM   #44
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Yeah but guitars don't go that low even tuned down to C# (3 half notes down) as Black Sabbath and most doom and much death metal is. That's still only a 69.30Hz fundamental frequency. Almost no information at the fundamental anyways. Most is in harmonic distortion.
Okay, and then bass guitar is an octave below that. 34.65Hz fundamental.

Slipknot is often in drop B (bass guitar fundamental of 31Hz).
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Old 23rd December 2012, 10:00 PM   #45
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I can't be arsed to read all of this thread as its full of PA drivers,
I stopped reading there.
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Old 23rd December 2012, 10:02 PM   #46
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At some point, after repeated attempts, one realizes that a little increased base level distortion is highly acceptable over the sound of horribly overdriven "hi-fi" drivers.
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Old 23rd December 2012, 10:02 PM   #47
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Slipknot is often in drop B (bass guitar fundamental of 31Hz).
Probably not a drop B but a baritone guitar instead which match a standard 5 string bass guitar.

Remember that there is (virtually) no information at the fundamental frequency. Lowest frequency that matters is the first harmonics at one octave above the fundamental.

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Old 23rd December 2012, 10:10 PM   #48
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Probably not a drop B but a baritone guitar instead which match a standard 5 string bass guitar.
Hi, drop B is a standard 5 string bass guitar tuning, rgds, sreten.
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Hi, drop B is a standard 5 string bass guitar tuning, rgds, sreten.
Not really. Drop B is one octave above the standard B of a 5 string bass guitar.
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Well the "Tarkus" uses the Peerless woofer I suggested
Personally I think it needs 2 of those and then for space and volume reasons it would then need to be sealed, but the F3/F10 for those woofers sealed is still respectable
Take note mate that I simply love spending other peoples money and that I consider 8 inches a reasonable size for a midrange even if the sweet spot is smaller
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