Not to mention just about every punk bassist. Explains why i was never much of a punk fan. Flea playing funk bass was always more appealing to me.
He often use a pick , not all the time
let s not forget the great Roger Waters
sorry for off topic talks again ,
but nothing wrong with playing bass with pick , lots of bass players play with pick ,IMO it depends on the sound you r looking for , my point is left and right hand techniques are different from playing guitar like muting and etc . and it s not playing bass when you pick up a bass and play the rhythms or melodies on it as you play on guitars , you will miss the whole things that a good bass player can do with same thing
Flea played in Fear, and early RHCP (before BSSM) was essentially punked up funk or funked punk. The reason he plays the way he does is partially due to his punk roots.
you missed A LOT of very good bands , kreator , cannibal corpse , death , nile , morbid angel , gojira , testament ,old metallica , obscura , cynic ,opeth , just to name a few , and i m not agree with some of the names you mentioned
but that's only personal taste ,Paul McCartney got a lot of his chops listening to James Jamerson... the guy who played 90% of the bass in Motown. He defined what a bass player is.
One reason the generalization about guitarists who play bass is that guitarists don't know the little bass only tricks to playing. Like when not to play haha. Seriously... not playing notes is just as important as playing them, and some people just don't get that.
Whoever said you can't tune a bass an octave higher is on crack. You need different strings... its called a piccolo bass and Stanley Clarke played one built by Carl Thompson in the 70s. Check out Stanley Clarke - School Days... that's a bass, not a guitar playing the main riff.
I like that way you think!
you missed A LOT of very good bands , kreator , cannibal corpse , death , nile , morbid angel , gojira , testament ,old metallica , obscura , cynic ,opeth , just to name a few , and i m not agree with some of the names you mentioned
have to say i didnt know fleas history before RCHP, but ive also never heard slap bass in punk. Psychobilly on a double bass perhaps, but not punk. Jeff Ament on a fretless obviously knows some bass tricks that a guitarist doesnt. Also i agree that less can mean more composition wise. How about Presidents of the USA? Both guitarist and bassist play modded 'guitbass' and 'basstar'. Plenty of Kyuss has guitar parts played on bass also.
What wolf calls metal i know as death metal. Anathema, napalm death, local band Bolt-thrower, Carcass, Amorphis, Diecide etc. Sepultura and that era is metal (to me) meshugga etc are just emo. After Slipknot repeated badly what Korn started, the whole image of metal went sour IMO. Pity.
What wolf calls metal i know as death metal. Anathema, napalm death, local band Bolt-thrower, Carcass, Amorphis, Diecide etc. Sepultura and that era is metal (to me) meshugga etc are just emo. After Slipknot repeated badly what Korn started, the whole image of metal went sour IMO. Pity.
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agree with that
what meshugga is known for (unusual time signatures and timings,IMO) is what has been in metal already and they bring it out (so badly) and they repeat it to the point that you ll fed up ! they r way overrated IMO and as you can read in lots of critics reviews , slipknot HAD some VERY FEW moments and only in their genre but they lost it long ago .
unfortunately most of the bands that people know them as metal or atleast big names in metal scene are not that much acceptable by most metal heads , as other genres of music it s all producers and big labels that make them big as they want but they don't worth it.
i m a metalhead but sadly most of metal scene bands are just some so called angry pot heads , pretend to be angry and shouting about things they don't understand .
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Everything you ever wanted to know about metal is covered in the tv series Metal Evolution [in Canada its on MuchMore Music in the US I think its on VH1]. Its based on an earlier documentary called Metal: A Headangers Journey which spawned the Heavy Metal Family Tree (look it up, its excellent!).
Its remarkable how many musicians they were able to interview for the series from all different variations of metal. It gave me a new and expanded appreciation of metal.
Its remarkable how many musicians they were able to interview for the series from all different variations of metal. It gave me a new and expanded appreciation of metal.
yup , a head banger journey from Sam Dunn I saw it , he has another documentary about metal called Global Metal , look it up if you didn't already see it
Like I said- I omitted several genres there. Thrash is to be included though:
Anthrax
Slayer
and more...
Wolf
Napalm Death and Deicide are thrash (aka speed), and I never cared for Sepultura. Agreed- Korn/Slipknot = meh.
I'm really surprised you guys don't like Meshuggah. 'Nothing' is an incredible album.
I suppose most of what I was listing in the metal list above is characterized as dark/black/scandinavian style, but some of those are actually australian bands. There are a lot of angry Aussies down there....
One thing I know we can agree on, is that nu-hardcore is typically mass chaos with riffage and intelligible screams, whereas metal has a history, and typically includes a melody and lots of technical playing ability.
Later,
Wolf
you missed A LOT of very good bands , kreator , cannibal corpse , death , nile , morbid angel , gojira , testament ,old metallica , obscura , cynic ,opeth , just to name a few , and i m not agree with some of the names you mentioned
I have some Nile, old Metallica, but I would have to say I prefer Otep to Opeth. I just listed a short list, wasn't trying to get them all.
Later,
Wolf
Now that takes me back to my youth!
Saw them a few times in the late '80s. That was also the time when I lost interest in Metal. I was young and the metal scene had two major handicaps (apart from me not really being into the music): Too much beer and way too few women! ;-)
The then emerging dance scene though had weed and women galore!
An easy choice for a male in his 20s!!!
I think I would have to include Mortification's 'Scrolls of the Megilloth' in that list. Some awesome drumming going on.
BUT- some of the hardest hitting drums I've encountered was on Metanoia's 'Time to Die', the rest of the music was alright, but the drums were great.
If you want just concussiveness, I recommend Meshuggah's 'Nothing' or Living Sacrifice's 'The Hammering Process'.
Later,
Wolf
Hi,
They will make a fine pair of PA speakers and if your amplifier lacks grunt,
e.g. its valve, pretty decent home speakers, if you can sort out a x/o.
Adire Audio used to be good for Eminence coax's - and way over the
top high order x/o's - try the wayback machine for old web pages :
Internet Archive: Wayback Machine
The only comment I will make is Adire certainly were not into Eminence
coax's just for heavy metal fans, quite the opposite, it was about
making the best of flea powered valve amplifiers mainly.
YMMV. PA type speakers inherently have low distortion driven at low
power at home where their sensitivity greatly helps small amplifiers.
Ply them with some juice though and all they will do is go crudely
very loud IMO, generally far too loud for domestic except parties.
Big cabinets with relatively little bass for their size, and no real
attempt at low bass, as that is not part of the PA remit.
(i.e. PA speakers are designed to go loud for big spaces and
deep bass is simply not an option they can or do support,
unless you go for massive unusual cabinets like BIB's.)
My main concern though is lack of a decent x/o design.
rgds, sreten.
There is too much OT stuff in this thread.
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IMO Decapitated 2011 album Carnival is Forever , is one of the best recordings I ever heard , not their best work , but quality is one of the best , check it out :
DECAPITATED - Homo Sum
and Gojira 2012 album L'enfant Sauvage , check it out :
Gojira - L'Enfant Sauvage
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