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Old 7th December 2012, 09:51 AM   #421
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So we will soon hear more about how to do it from you instead of how not doing it ?
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Old 7th December 2012, 09:59 AM   #422
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I hope so but it probably won't be any time soon.
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Old 7th December 2012, 10:13 AM   #423
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Well, If I can add my humble 2c to the quarrel..

the fuzzy picture Markus posted is actually fairly right, BUT, as Dewhard said, this is exactly what we want to achieve, especially for well made, simple recordings in true acoustic spaces which is mostly what I listen to.

Now, I do find that for some specific recordings, dipoles do blur things a little, for ex sound effects and such. I found a way to get the "truth" back with portable absorbing pannels to kill the rear wave somewhat. So I get best of both worlds and I am a happy camper.

I really think the only way to get a "perfect" system for every recording is a variable acoustic room, for any type of speaker radiation.. If I had a dedicated room, that's what I would go for.
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Old 7th December 2012, 10:29 AM   #424
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I hope so but it probably won't be any time soon.
it seems you are advocating for a tight radiation for front speakers, rather dead room, and ambiance speakers to compensate. Basically a "Toole" HT setup..?
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Too much room reflection will blur things, not matter the type of speaker....
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Old 7th December 2012, 11:20 AM   #426
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Too much room reflection will blur things, not matter the type of speaker....
I am glad we agree! One also has to remember that there must be one acoustic black hole somewhere, front or rear wall, and that's a matter of taste!

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Old 7th December 2012, 11:46 AM   #427
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the fuzzy picture Markus posted is actually fairly right, BUT, as Dewhard said, this is exactly what we want to achieve
That's where I disagree. It might be true for some aural spaces that we want to reproduce but not for all of them. The recording should control the spatial attributes, not the speaker. If this is not feasible the user should be able to control those attributes. Speakers with a specific radiation pattern are one way to do this but there is no "more/less/different spatial attributes" knob (and currently I don't believe it's feasible to make such a speaker). Given the wide variety of recording techniques and use cases such a knob is needed.
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it seems you are advocating for a tight radiation for front speakers, rather dead room, and ambiance speakers to compensate. Basically a "Toole" HT setup..?
Not to "compensate" but to "enable" realism in a controllable manner.

But yes, that's what I'm currently looking at, on-wall, very narrow dispersion as low as possible with additional ambience speakers.
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with additional ambience speakers.
And they be driven from which signal ?
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And they be driven from which signal ?
Exactly! Sorry but I don't have a good answer (yet).
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