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Old 30th November 2012, 12:17 PM   #331
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Old 30th November 2012, 01:01 PM   #332
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-that might spark a bit of controversy. Perhaps more to very recent Orion builders and purchasers than anyone else. While everyone needs to have creative freedom, if it were me personally - I would in fact "feel sorry for them" (..in that I don't think they were striving for 2nd best, however good that may be, on a not insubstantial investment).
Not an issue...I built Orion 3 years ago intending it to be my last speaker, and it is. You seem to imply that SL should freeze his work so as not to leave his customers behind? Orion meets and exceeds my needs for quality audio and I am fairly certain any improvements that LX521 could bring would be quite marginal. The endless dissatisfaction with the now that is symptomatic of audiophilia nervosa is fine as a hobby for compulsives but I'd rather just enjoy the music! Thank you SL!
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Old 30th November 2012, 01:15 PM   #333
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I've had nothing to contribute directly to this thread, though I'm following it.

HOWEVER, last night I received an email about DIY NE that I will host tomorrow at my place. We may have a set of Orions here this year that will allow for some comparisons. Maybe that will help provide more than conjecture, at least WRT the Orions.

I may need to press John to allow us to use his multi-channel amps, these will be coming her from Montreal. I hope he brings them. What I have may not be considered adequate, though I use them for my dipoles.

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Old 30th November 2012, 03:53 PM   #334
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I've had nothing to contribute directly to this thread, though I'm following it.

HOWEVER, last night I received an email about DIY NE that I will host tomorrow at my place. We may have a set of Orions here this year that will allow for some comparisons. Maybe that will help provide more than conjecture, at least WRT the Orions.

I may need to press John to allow us to use his multi-channel amps, these will be coming her from Montreal. I hope he brings them. What I have may not be considered adequate, though I use them for my dipoles.

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What, dirve Orions with my amps? I can hear it now, John modified his amps to sure his speakers sounded better.

I have an idea Dave. Bring your measurement set up up stairs so we can tweak ther miniDSP so both speaker have the same axial response. Then we could get an idea of what extending dipole operations does.
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Old 30th November 2012, 04:06 PM   #335
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What, dirve Orions with my amps? I can hear it now, John modified his amps to sure his speakers sounded better.
That's why I want to use yours. I won't want my amps to be the excuse!

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I have an idea Dave. Bring your measurement set up up stairs so we can tweak ther miniDSP so both speaker have the same axial response. Then we could get an idea of what extending dipole operations does.
I can probably get that done. I'm going to be pretty busy today, though. I haven't cranked up the measurement system for some time now, we'll just have to be careful with it when my dogs are running around! I keep it out of the way downstairs, as you know.

Do you need SE or will LAUD do? I assume SE, since the delay in the MiniDSP will likely prevent use of LAUD. For SE I have to set up the mic preamp that's not needed with LAUD.

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I am tired of this Linkwitz bashing.. If he doesn't do anything, he is lazy, if he does something, he's late.. Whatever, he's always wrong..!

I think this thread says more about the psychology of some contributors than it should.. like the joy of "killing the father" sort of attitude..
+1.

These guys are standing on his shoulders and don't think twice about criticizing him.

As usual, the proof is in the pudding. And the LX521 was leagues ahead of anything I heard at RMAF.
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That's why I want to use yours. I won't want my amps to be the excuse!


I can probably get that done. I'm going to be pretty busy today, though. I haven't cranked up the measurement system for some time now, we'll just have to be careful with it when my dogs are running around! I keep it out of the way downstairs, as you know.

Do you need SE or will LAUD do? I assume SE, since the delay in the MiniDSP will likely prevent use of LAUD. For SE I have to set up the mic preamp that's not needed with LAUD.

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The delay is a miniDSP is pretty short. Laud should work fine.
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Old 30th November 2012, 05:18 PM   #338
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+1.

These guys are standing on his shoulders and don't think twice about criticizing him.

As usual, the proof is in the pudding. And the LX521 was leagues ahead of anything I heard at RMAF.
What guys?
I know I haven't.
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Old 30th November 2012, 06:07 PM   #339
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Orion meets and exceeds my needs for quality audio and I am fairly certain any improvements that LX521 could bring would be quite marginal.
I think you're on to something. The difference between them is quite modest, especially when compared to the difference between either of them and almost everything else. ORION is more sensitive to the room . . . get that right and, well . . .
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Not an issue...I built Orion 3 years ago intending it to be my last speaker, and it is. You seem to imply that SL should freeze his work so as not to leave his customers behind?
What SL.. *should* do. No, that would actually be "chiding" (as he mentioned).

Frankly I have no idea what he should do.. I can however think of a few things he could do to minimize any potential problems (..not that there necessarily will be problems). In fact, I *hope* no one has any problems.

(..I think it's also likely that more than a few of those who recently invested in an Orion, might not want the more "avant-garde" design of the LX521, no matter the improvement.)

Still, I can see the potential for problems.. Ex. customer "A" purchases for $15,000 an Orion 4 because it's supposed to be the "best" in a size they can live with. Aesthetics are of secondary importance to "A", ultimate sound quality is the most important issue. Customer "A" made this purchase 4 months ago. Customer "A" has been saving-up a long time to afford this purchase and it represents a fair amount of their disposable income over several years. Or perhaps customer "B" with the same requirements and financial limitations that is *about* to do the very same, but hasn't carefully read the "faq" section of SL's website on the LX521.

It *can* happen, and sometimes it does happen. (..I should also note that perhaps SL already has measures in place to limit these sorts of problems.)
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