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Old 14th November 2012, 11:11 AM   #21
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if the presentation is reasonable and life-like, I don't really care it's a copy of the recording scene (or master room) or not.
yes, and who really cares and why?? what's the point??? after all HiFi is about realistic sound reproduction
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Old 14th November 2012, 11:59 AM   #22
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Ah, that's an endless debate -- the feel of realistic vs real precision.

For me, if the presentation is reasonable and life-like, I don't really care it's a copy of the recording scene (or master room) or not.

I believe real multi-channel can be excellent. However, to complete the whole thing -- from recording to playback, there'd be so many more possible mistakes than plain stereo. We can't stop that. (no one can)

In comparison, it's nothing wrong keeping the simple stereo format and improving it somewhat in the range we can.
My point is that "realistic sounding" does not automatically equal to "good sounding". Under certain acoustic conditions speech is more intelligible. At certain seats within a symphony hall there is localization and not just a spacious cloud. Drums sound best in acoustically dry environments and the list goes on.
Just because a stereo recording can be made to sound more realistic, doesn't necessarily make it sound good too. A "good" painting doesn't need to be photorealistic. In fact the artistically most interesting paintings are nowhere near to photorealism.

I'm all for trying to get the most out of stereo but a one-size-fits-all approach simply doesn't cut it. It ignores the recording and the listening room.
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Old 14th November 2012, 12:31 PM   #23
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I'm all for trying to get the most out of stereo but a one-size-fits-all approach simply doesn't cut it. It ignores the recording and the listening room.
what solution do you offer?
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Old 14th November 2012, 12:52 PM   #24
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My point is that "realistic sounding" does not automatically equal to "good sounding".
THE point is that "good sounding" means NOTHING but "I like it"
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Old 15th November 2012, 09:24 AM   #25
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Some progress... the drivers have arrived !

The cone is beautiful and I think would look great on a satin black enclosure.

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The magnet is large and rear opening is quite small. Might need major chambering.

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so, you are not delaying the center driver?

If obsessed with delaying the center driver, at least do it with care since it will ruin the midrange vector operation. The three elements are integrating as a directional sound field and the direction is depending on the stereophonic signal.


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Old 15th November 2012, 11:11 PM   #27
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The magnet is large and rear opening is quite small. Might need major chambering.

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Or, rear mounted, with bevel on front?
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Old 15th November 2012, 11:23 PM   #28
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Old 19th November 2012, 09:14 AM   #29
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Hi - Yes, I'm aware of the Jordan delay line thread. It was the reflector system which struck me as having parallels here. Using slightly larger (and more directional) single drivers, the reflector achieves a measure of HF roll-off without filtering components.

The current SSS layout looks as though it may suffer from reflections from the rear wall. When you get it going, I'll be interested in reading if there are any changes ot the imaging as you bring the system forward. (I'm not in a position to build boxes to have a go myself yet.)
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Old 29th January 2013, 08:15 AM   #30
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months have passed so ...how's the EP21?
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