Alternatively you could buy some Tannoy DCs off ebay.
They'll work in any room big enough to fit them in which, I suppose, would be equally true for other co-axials.
Currently there are a few 12" 3142 drivers on offer and one guy is selling 4 Pumas (15" DCs!) for £800, no bids and one day to go!
You could sell one pair and use the proceeds to build something like these:
tannoy or even use 18" instead of the extra 15" woofer.
They'll work in any room big enough to fit them in which, I suppose, would be equally true for other co-axials.
Currently there are a few 12" 3142 drivers on offer and one guy is selling 4 Pumas (15" DCs!) for £800, no bids and one day to go!
You could sell one pair and use the proceeds to build something like these:
tannoy or even use 18" instead of the extra 15" woofer.
I got the gist that JRKO is after an 'in your face sound' but the apparent sound source with Tannoys is about 30cm behind the voice coil so you'd gain a bit of virtual space.
Either way I never had that problem with my own Tannoys, they make excellent near-field speakers and that is my preferred way of listening.
Either way I never had that problem with my own Tannoys, they make excellent near-field speakers and that is my preferred way of listening.
That is the general symptom of too high directivity at high frequencies.
There ought to be enough of early room reflections to cure this nasty illness.
- Elias
I've been down the Tannoy DC route. 10" Eaton & 15" Berkeley. Fun while it lasted
Not really in your face. Describing sound is tricky. I want to be able to play at realistic levels should I wish, but will be lower much of the time. I want a double bass to sound like a double bass, a violin like a violin and Alison Krauss to sound like........well you get it. Pared down music to sound open an haunting and live recordings to sound live. I know a great deal of this is down to the recording but if its there, I want to hear all this at ANY volume level. I guess glossy hifi mags would call it 'resolving'?
you will need lots of power, and bound to be a multiamp setup
efficiency ? 95db woofer with 92-93db mid will be very good
if you mean in a 2way ?
lots of power for rock, but no way a violin will ever sound like a violin, like you requested
but I really think you need just a little more low end
early rolloff is not equal to tight controlled bass
I would say 'on the contrary'
Leaving power to rock aside can a 2-way not reproduce accurately? I know the one pictured below is way over what I can build but surely that cant reproduce violin etc?
I didn't get what you meant by "I really think you need just a little more low end"
thanks for sticking with me on this.
I'm still interested in your idea to buy a horn & CD and go from there
I didn't get what you meant by "I really think you need just a little more low end"
thanks for sticking with me on this.
I'm still interested in your idea to buy a horn & CD and go from there
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I meant to say not to be happy with 50hz, but aim a bit 'lower', like say 30-35hz
rolloff means phase shift
no, not that simple
simplificated, the 'key' is crossover phase
or more accurately, the result of what it does
It appears to me the that the 15hf510 can easily handle 50-740/1000 and can blend well with either midrange or horn. You may not get super low, but that leaves option for sub if needed. Considering your room, it may be unecessary and room gain will be more than adequate. Althought other parameters are different, it has a similar response as the Altec 416, lacking the bottom end of course.
very important to find a combination with smooth fit
or try Fane 15-400LF in closed, it only needs to be very big
but thats the topic, so....
1.6khz on up - Radian 475PB + SEOS-12
300hz - 2khz - 2X BG Neo 10 / horizontally mounted and stacked vertically
100hz - 600hz -2X B&C 12TBX100 / Cardioid
+
15hz - 120hz - 4X Mach V LLE-18
...That's what I wanna do as my next project. Well maybe a SEOS-RAAL with 140-15D and a AE TD12X.
Who wants to fund it???
300hz - 2khz - 2X BG Neo 10 / horizontally mounted and stacked vertically
100hz - 600hz -2X B&C 12TBX100 / Cardioid
+
15hz - 120hz - 4X Mach V LLE-18
...That's what I wanna do as my next project. Well maybe a SEOS-RAAL with 140-15D and a AE TD12X.
Who wants to fund it???
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Maybee, but i would go for 15 or 12", x-over quite a bit higher and stay 2-way.
The QW-1 has been built all over the globe and i´ve never heard any one not satisfied, although many builders have chose to x-over a lot lower than i would.
There´s many good 15" drivers around that will do just what i think You want, even more 12" which i think is the best size for a voicereproducing driver, the choice of HF driver/horn is gigantic but there´sa few new contestants that, imo, beat all competition and also are decently priced.
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