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56oval 6th September 2012 11:34 PM

4 way active ,passive or what works best
 
Hello Diy

This is my first speaker project ,I have a habit of biting of more than I can chew when it comes to projects :xeye: :) .
This project has been going for a number of years now ,life just gets in the way more often than not . I'm also building the electronics from frontend to amps which doesn't help .Plus I have no real electronics knowledge :o.Plus the room it self needs a bit of acoustic treatment .I was a its all about the front end ,but over the years I feel its more speaker ,xover room interaction .

Any here's a novice approache to speaker design and build :) .

The design ,seperate bass cab's to the mid section so I can move them around and swap out the top section for a Synergy horn ,designed by Paul Spencer ,but thats another project :).
Red Spade Audio: Synergy horn flat pack kit
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...cabbasscab.png

Drivers ,I've heard the Raven tweeters a number of times and I really like how they sound & they sound really nice with PHL's .Bought the drivers from Pat @ War Audio in Perth ,Australia . Pat has been very helpful over the years .
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...r/IMG_2511.jpg
PHL's , 1120 6.5"mid , PHL 3020 10" lower mid , PHL 5021 15" bass driver.
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...r/IMG_5435.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...r/IMG_2507.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...r/IMG_5436.jpg

CHeers

56oval 6th September 2012 11:51 PM

Cab's & Baffles
 
I wanted large round overs on the corners and a triangle shape cab ,so with toe in the cabs don't look as wide .Also hoping for less defraction on the edge's .
I looked at making a sub frame then wrap it in multiple layers of bendy ply .I found a supplier who would guaranty a 100mm radius with there ply .I was having a chat with a cabinet maker who also built speaker ,Andrew W. from Aslan Acoustic about my project and he offered to CNC the cabs for me .He also machined the front baffles ,which he loved doing :p not.I think 12 months latter the swarf was still appearing .

Cabinet piece's the jigsaw begins :).
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...r/IMG_4797.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...tionbaffle.jpg
15" bass baffle
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...5021baffle.jpg
How to build a complicated bass cab out of bits ,for large round overs
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...r/IMG_6180.jpg
Bass cab Wall material ,Finish aircraft grade BB and alloy .
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...r/IMG_6371.jpg
After the cnc'ing a quick stack
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...er/TestFit.jpg

CHeers

adason 6th September 2012 11:54 PM

i like it

56oval 7th September 2012 12:00 AM

Stacking to Glue
 
Talking to Andrew about gluing the cab's he told me to watch out for horizontal movement when clamping down to glue . So I made a jig to hold it all in position , if you know me I like making jigs :). To make it more complicated for myself I used ally dowels instead of timber ,15 of them .I hoping the alloy baffles & dowels will add stiffness but not alot of weight .
The jig mock up
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...r/IMG_4996.jpg
The rectangle section is set back and acks as a dummy baffle .
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...r/IMG_4979.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...r/IMG_6395.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...r/IMG_5000.jpg

Cheers

Moondog55 7th September 2012 12:02 AM

Novice approach my little donkey

56oval 7th September 2012 12:15 AM

Gluing
 
Talking with Andrew about gluing he warned me about horizontal movement when gluing and clamping down . So I made a jig ,I like making jigs :) .
I also done a dry run stacking and clamping to see how much work time I had ,the epoxy glue I used has a 45min work time .The epoxy I used is designed to glue dissimilar materials . The dowels 15 of them are alloy ,I used alloy dowels & baffles ,hoping to improve the stiffness of the cabinets .
Glue
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...r/IMG_4799.jpg
Jig mock up
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...r/IMG_4996.jpg
The rectangle section is set back to ack as a dummy baffle to hold the cab in postion .
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...r/IMG_4979.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...r/IMG_5000.jpg

Cheers

56oval 7th September 2012 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adason (Post 3155042)
i like it

Cheers Mate

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moondog55 (Post 3155053)
Novice approach my little donkey

Donkey the key word :D

Cheers

56oval 7th September 2012 12:22 AM

Gluing
 
Also a good tip given to me ,run the dowels down once its all stacked .
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...r/IMG_6401.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...r/IMG_6404.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...r/IMG_6406.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...r/IMG_6407.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...r/IMG_6408.jpg
Afetr allowing drying time pulled out
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...r/IMG_6411.jpg
The cabs shiny due to spreading the beads of glue .

Cheers

56oval 7th September 2012 12:27 AM

Putting the tops & bottoms on
 
I left the tops & bottoms last so I could spread out the beads of glue inside .I couldn't get to the 6.5" section .
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...r/IMG_6423.jpg

All glued up Baffles fit like a bum in a bucket :) .
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...r/IMG_6427.jpg

Next step mounting the baffle .

Cheers

56oval 7th September 2012 12:33 AM

Fixing the baffle
 
I need to fix the baffle to the cab and I need to route the cab to get a nice flush fit .
ALso should I just bond and screw the baffle inplace or is there any benifit to having the baffle semi decoupled from the cabinet :confused: .

Any ideas guys .

CHeers


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