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Old 3rd July 2012, 09:50 AM   #1
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Default Clarity Cap MR vs Mundorf Silver/Oil

Does some one compared these two caps ?
The application is crossover filter for loudspeakers.

I've already read the tony gee comparison.

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Old 4th July 2012, 03:21 AM   #2
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Mate, we all worn out with the capacitor debate.

For sure polypropylenes are good. It does seem that some Mundorf's have 10X better ESR than the cheapies:

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OK, here's a summary:

Mundorf MCap: Bargain basement aluminium metallised with DF of 0.0002. $5.

Mundorf MCap ZN: Tin metallised foil with DF of 0.00002. $20.

Mundorf Supreme: Aluminium metallised foil with DF of 0.00002 and aluminium casing. $20.

Mundorf Silver/Oil: Silver metallised foil with DF of 0.00002 and some special casing. $60.

Mundorf Silver/oil/Gold: Silver foil with 1% GOLD added. No idea what they cost.

Mundorf RXF: Encased in some sort of solid box. No idea what they cost.

Interestingly, inductance is a function of the length of the capacitor in these low-inductance windings.

You pay your money and make your choice, I reckon.
What you gotta wonder, is whether the money you save on cheaper capacitors, which doubtless work well enough, is best spent on better tweeters or better capacitors. Is that an answer? My own preference would be to spend any excess cash on better tweeters myself. Copper pole pieces, neodymium magnets an all that. Oh and good air-core inductors.
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Gents

In my opinion the capacitor debate only becomes relevant if your speakers have the resolution ability to show the differences in caps. If not, you are wasting your money. That means those who deride cap differences must simply state what speakers they use to put their comment in the correct perspective for the reader.

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Old 4th July 2012, 07:00 AM   #4
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Does some one compared these two caps ?
The application is crossover filter for loudspeakers.

I've already read the tony gee comparison.

thank you

I have listened to both caps at a preamp output - very big difference in presentation there. SIO a clear winner, where MR has a heavy muddy bass and slightly recessed high end.

More recently compared them in a tweeter crossover - not much difference i can hear at all.
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Old 4th July 2012, 08:17 AM   #5
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I have listened to both caps at a preamp output - very big difference in presentation there. SIO a clear winner, where MR has a heavy muddy bass and slightly recessed high end.

More recently compared them in a tweeter crossover - not much difference i can hear at all.
hi analog,
about mr, around say that are more natural than silver/oil, also more dynamic and are more transparent.
what about your point of view ?
could you explain better your comparison on tweeter crossover ?

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Old 4th July 2012, 09:03 AM   #6
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At one point of time I was trying very hard to decide on picking up the best input coupling cap for an amp . I bought several brands and types. I could ( or thought I could !) hear distinct differences and ranked the capacitors from best to lowest perceived sound.
Later I found that with other amplifiers the ranking of the caps didn't match with the first test I made. So either something is wrong about how it was auditioned or each cap can behave differently depending on the behaviour of the system that it is put into. This means there is no ideal ranking for caps ! You need to try out what you want and pick what you think is best !
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I think these are new for Parts Express, the cost seems reasonable:
Audyn Metalized Polypropylene Foil Crossover Capacitors
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Old 6th July 2012, 02:47 PM   #8
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I have listened to both caps at a preamp output - very big difference in presentation there. SIO a clear winner, where MR has a heavy muddy bass and slightly recessed high end.

More recently compared them in a tweeter crossover - not much difference i can hear at all.
I've used MR's over a dozen components, including both coupling and speaker crossovers.

In either set of applications, I would consider the MR dead neutral. If anything, the S/O is tilted to the top end, which would point out something else is amiss in your setup.
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I've used MR's over a dozen components, including both coupling and speaker crossovers.

In either set of applications, I would consider the MR dead neutral. If anything, the S/O is tilted to the top end, which would point out something else is amiss in your setup.
So ? what s the differences between both ?
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Old 6th July 2012, 03:38 PM   #10
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Clarity MR if you have a transparent system with no need of boost in the high .. mundorf silver oil if you want some shiny highs
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