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Old 3rd July 2012, 10:33 AM   #61
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Once upon a time I thought I had a few 'bad recordings' but as my speakers got better over time the number of 'bad recordings' in my possession decreased.

However since then the Loudness Wars kicked in and to my ears grossly over-compressed stuff does sound less nauseating through crappy speakers than good ones.
Or may it is just that when I play non-compressed material through good and bad speakers I hear a vast difference while the over-compressed stuff sounds pretty much the same through either speakers.
A kind of inverted expectation bias.
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Old 3rd July 2012, 12:30 PM   #62
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Yeah, that badly compressed stuff they put out nowadays sounds like **** no matter where or on what you play it....... too bad. And record companies wonder why their records dont sell...????
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There is about a 3dB difference in "modern" recordings as opposed to stuff produced in the 70's and 80's. I've noticed this and adjust at the input stage ... and it's a PITA. Analog processing might be fine with the increased input level variance ... digital, not so much.
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Blaming "bad" recordings is a lousy excuse for not looking into the real problem --- the speakers, the room and how they interact to create the sound that you are really listening to. And in most cases, the result is exceptionally bad.
I guess you don't listen to much American pop?
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Old 3rd July 2012, 02:30 PM   #65
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haha i agree. De-essers just seem badly used, coupled to a cd 0dB master makes for that sound imo. Id agree, without knowing exactly, that master levels even im the 90s were maybe 3dB lower. When i mix, i always master at -3dB. It just works better for me.

Back OT, in a way, i will post my circuit for RAART, as he expressed an interest in seeing it.

I may have posted in another thread already...memory like a seive.

In fact its probably in my signature thread, i should check
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It's probably because hardly anything is mixed or engineered with high end systems in mind anymore, they're all focused on what's going to sound good played on someone's wal mart car stereo or plastic rack system, lots of "thunder and lightning" EQ and they all use Yamaha NS10Ms to do it.
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Old 3rd July 2012, 02:46 PM   #67
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@ RAART:here is the circuit for 4th order HP @ 3.5kHz, the 52 ohm lpad resistor can be removed, as it does very little.

http://static.diyaudio.com/forums/ga...Neo3CD3_5H.jpg

As you may be able to see from the frequency plot below, its just about -40dB at the 1.5k resonance. The elliptic filter is much sharper but attenuates this even further.

http://static.diyaudio.com/forums/ga...Neo3CD3_5H.jpg

I hope this is of some use, even for just a starting point for the filter for your jordans
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There is about a 3dB difference in "modern" recordings as opposed to stuff produced in the 70's and 80's. I've noticed this and adjust at the input stage ... and it's a PITA. Analog processing might be fine with the increased input level variance ... digital, not so much.
It's more like 10 dB louder today than in the "good old days"....
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I guess you don't listen to much American pop?
I prefer music.
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There is about a 3dB difference in "modern" recordings as opposed to stuff produced in the 70's and 80's. I've noticed this and adjust at the input stage ... and it's a PITA. Analog processing might be fine with the increased input level variance ... digital, not so much.
I've got a fair few cds from the '80s and '90s and their rms level is around
-12dBFS. They sound good.

Some stuff I got after '05 or so has an rms level of -6dBFS or even less. They sound shite.

I will never ever buy a cd that features the name Lord-Alge in the credits as that is a clear indicator for grotesque over-compression. The really sad thing is that I read an article about one of them (they are two brothers) in SoundOnSound and practically all the compression they apply is done with rather tasty vintage compressors which of course are analogue.
It doesn't really matter if the over-compression is applied analogue or digitally, it's all rubbish if overdone.
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