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Old 28th June 2012, 02:48 AM   #11
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There is something I like about the Ribbons which I cant put my finger on.
Once you hear a good ribbon, dome tweeters sound "rough".

My Heil is crossed at 2K (18dB) to my Audax HM130C0. Wonderful combination.
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Old 28th June 2012, 06:21 AM   #12
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thanks Simon, the reasons you mention are the reasoning behind me taking a listening break until i have a flat crossover.

The domes sound ok really, but it sounds more of a case of what the ribbons lack in their reproduction, rather than the reverse.

Its this that makes me look at the domes colouration, rather than the THD of the ribbon.

I have seen waterfalls and THD measures posted on techtalk i think, below about 2.5k the THD rises, but above 3k its below -40dB, the waterfall shows a spike in the same region, so i plan to cross higher than this.
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Thanks Michael, those do look nice. Similar box size to my AP130ZO, although I dont think there is much special in the AP range motor, no shorting ring, although that doesnt make them awful. The HM range are likely a lot better.
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Default a small aside

the front horn WG is detachable, or appears to be. Removing it may be my next test, just out of curiosity.
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Old 28th June 2012, 02:05 PM   #15
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the front horn WG is detachable, or appears to be. Removing it may be my next test, just out of curiosity.
You'd need to re-measure and completely revise the crossover to account for the loss of waveguide "boost"....
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Once you hear a good ribbon, dome tweeters sound "rough".

My Heil is crossed at 2K (18dB) to my Audax HM130C0. Wonderful combination.
The Heil isn't really a ribbon though, is it? I was always under the impression that ribbons moved in-out, the Heil kinda does a "squeeze to center".
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Default Dynaudio D-28

In some circles, these are considered worlds best. I only used them once in a box in the back of a Chevy Blazer, they did sound great.

Never understand why they stop making great speakers!
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The Heil isn't really a ribbon though, is it? I was always under the impression that ribbons moved in-out, the Heil kinda does a "squeeze to center".
Thanks for the clarification. You're right, the Heil AMT are not ribbons. I always thought they were. Now I have an excuse to buy the Fountek NeoCD3.0. Would be interesting to compare the NeoCD3 with the Heil.

Wiki has some information on Heil AMT
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Thanks for the clarification. You're right, the Heil AMT are not ribbons. I always thought they were. Now I have an excuse to buy the Fountek NeoCD3.0. Would be interesting to compare the NeoCD3 with the Heil.

Wiki has some information on Heil AMT
Oh, I love the heil, especially the big one. Friend of mine that owned a stereo shop in upstate ny had a set of speakers that he used as his reference that had one of the older foam surround peerless 8" and the big heil. I tried to talk him out of them a couple of times, but his response was always "Million dollars, you can have em."

One of these days I'll try to cook something up myself.
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yeah a heil is a motion transformer, which i THINK is like a magnetostat, except pleated, and attraction is between folds, rather than a pseudo ribbon magnetostat. All of these appeal to me, budget was important, so i chose the neoCD3.5H, versus the Mivoc and visaton magneto. A raal or heil would be good, i challenge you to find an example for 40 each, and ill buy. The pinching motion is another 'lever' of mechanical advantage, like the horn is to the 3.5h
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