DIYmobileA is Klippeling me.

dantheman · 27th October 2011, 06:44 PM

So my question would be: "can you expect excellent results from any B&C or Scan Speak and do they Klippel optimize all their drivers?" These this look like really well designed drivers:

DIYMA.com - Scientific Car Audio - Truth in Sound Quality
DIYMA.com - Scientific Car Audio - Truth in Sound Quality
DIYMA.com - Scientific Car Audio - Truth in Sound Quality

Great motor, suspension... less so:
DIYMA.com - Scientific Car Audio - Truth in Sound Quality

No Klippel at Vifa?
DIYMA.com - Scientific Car Audio - Truth in Sound Quality

Interesting stuff IMO, but I'd be more interested in what some smarter people think of it and its usefulness. It certainly seems like the best way to get the most bang from your drivers if you are designing them. The new large PE fullrangers also have impressive performance on all fronts.

So what do you guys see?

Dan

bikinpunk · 3rd November 2011, 06:32 PM

Dan, thanks for trying to get discussion going here. I'll post the recent news I posted on diyma & techtalk. Not sure if anyone here is paying attention or cares to so I probably won't be back here to continue the update. That said... here you go...

Quote:

Originally Posted by me

As you guys know, I've been posting links to Klippel measurements for drivers as I go. The data is posted on diymobileaudio.com's forum as the site owner (Anthony Collova) is the one who owns the Klippel and requires the data stay there. Understandable, and so far that's not stopped a lot of you guys from venturing over there to view the data.

I've been working to provide FR/HD/CSD data to everyone in addition to the small and large signal analysis I achieve through the Klippel. In fact, 2 days ago, I purchased the omnimic in order to do so. Since, then, though I've gotten some kickass news!...

*The following is copy/pasted from this thread on DIYMA:
http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/...pel-news.html*

Quote:

Originally Posted by ErinH

I've got some AWESOME news, guys!....

As mentioned in the other Klippel Updates thread, I have been speaking with the folks @ Klippel in regards to obtaining some modules and hardware to help us further our cause. I heard back today and this is what was said:

Quote:

We thank you for your effort and appreciate your enthusiasm in providing KLIPPEL data to the community! We are going to loan to DIY forum the other modules of KLIPPEL R&D SYSTEM free of charge for the period of time you are using them actively. As you know, you can measure without a laser, but it is more convenient using the laser in LPM measurements. So we recommend purchase of a laser and microphone. We will give you an extra discount to help DIY a bit. Please find below some details:

1. Modules

We are going to give you 3 month license keys for all modules and latest software release. When they run out, you can contact me to inform me, that you are still working actively with the system. Then we send you keys for next 3 month and so on. If nobody at DIY have time or interest to measure, it is “sleeping” and you can contact me, when you want to start again. During “sleeping time” the LSI module you purchased before (Release 200) will work only. We cannot lend you the modules which requires additional equipment as SPM, MPM and SCN.

2. Laser + Microphone

If you test woofers only, laser ANR1282 (+controller) is recommended. With more expensive laser H52 you can test micro-speakers and tweeters also, but maximal displacement is +-10mm. We offer various types of microphone. The less expensive MI17 is okay in most cases. Please check attached specification and price list.

So as a minimum you should order:

· Laser sensor ANR1282 – *** EUR

· Laser controller ANR5132 – *** EUR

· MI 17 Microphone Set – *** EUR

Total: *** EUR – discount% = *** EUR

Please let me know what you think.

Best regards

So, I'm still not 100% we need the Laser and it's VERY expensive. I left the $$$ amount out, but suffice it to say, it's a hefty investment. However, we need the mic. Absolutely have to have the mic to do HD and FR testing.

Depending on what Ant says regarding this, we may just be on the leading edge of all measurements from here on out. To say I'm excited is a huge understatement.

Here's some ideas of the modules we'll be getting:

FR/HD:
Transfer Function Measurement (TRF)
Small Signal (T/S & Impedance):
Linear Parameter Measurement (LPM)
LSI:
*We already own the LPM, which gives us large signal analysis you've seen posted*
IMD:
3D-Distortion Measurement (DIS)
Auralization:
Auralization (AUR)
(this will allow me to extract various distortion components so you can hear the influence in sound; this will be an awesome tool)

I'm sure there is more behind the doors that have been opened for us by the fine folks at Klippel. I can't wait to see where this goes!

We just need to decide if the purchase of the laser will be beneficial to us. Like I said, it's a HUGE investment for Ant and at the end of the day, he needs to be able to know that it will ultimately pay off. FWIW, personally, I couldn't fund it.

This means that the rate I've been testing will be slowed a good bit, though, simply because there's now more to test. Be on the lookout for these upgrades. I'll keep this thread updated with information as we move ahead.

Just wanted to let you all know and this certainly needed it's own thread.

- Erin

Be prepared for the full gamut of testing. It will all be posted on DIYMA, still, but I will happily provide a link to every test I do from hereon. I encourage you all to go ahead and sign up so you can view the data as it's posted in the future. Obviously the site owner needs to get some reimbursement for his purchase so the data must stay there. I'm sure you can all understand. Especially when you realize the hardware costs are in the thousands of dollars and none of us are footing the bill.

- Erin

dantheman · 3rd November 2011, 06:49 PM

Nice Erin! Pretty much the Full Monte of driver performance it would seem. Excellent news for the DIY community.

Dan

Kahooli · 3rd November 2011, 07:19 PM

If you make the klippel etc under ownership of a charitable not for profit institution you could get corporate sponsorship to buy those addons

bikinpunk · 3rd November 2011, 08:27 PM

I don't need to buy add-ons.

Kahooli · 3rd November 2011, 08:50 PM

but everyone loves add-ons!

bikinpunk · 3rd November 2011, 10:30 PM

if you read the post I made above you'll see that I don't have to buy add-ons...

27th October 2011, 06:44 PM	#1
dantheman diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Mountain View, CA	DIYmobileA is Klippeling me. So my question would be: "can you expect excellent results from any B&C or Scan Speak and do they Klippel optimize all their drivers?" These this look like really well designed drivers: DIYMA.com - Scientific Car Audio - Truth in Sound Quality DIYMA.com - Scientific Car Audio - Truth in Sound Quality DIYMA.com - Scientific Car Audio - Truth in Sound Quality Great motor, suspension... less so: DIYMA.com - Scientific Car Audio - Truth in Sound Quality No Klippel at Vifa? DIYMA.com - Scientific Car Audio - Truth in Sound Quality Interesting stuff IMO, but I'd be more interested in what some smarter people think of it and its usefulness. It certainly seems like the best way to get the most bang from your drivers if you are designing them. The new large PE fullrangers also have impressive performance on all fronts. So what do you guys see? Dan __________________ My Blog My Music Recordings

3rd November 2011, 06:49 PM	#3
dantheman diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Mountain View, CA	Nice Erin! Pretty much the Full Monte of driver performance it would seem. Excellent news for the DIY community. Dan __________________ My Blog My Music Recordings

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3rd November 2011, 07:19 PM	#4
Kahooli diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Cincinnati, OH	If you make the klippel etc under ownership of a charitable not for profit institution you could get corporate sponsorship to buy those addons

3rd November 2011, 08:27 PM	#5
bikinpunk diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Decatur, Al	I don't need to buy add-ons.

3rd November 2011, 08:50 PM	#6
Kahooli diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Cincinnati, OH	but everyone loves add-ons!

3rd November 2011, 10:30 PM	#7
bikinpunk diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Decatur, Al	if you read the post I made above you'll see that I don't have to buy add-ons...

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