Looking for a wide-ish range 12" woofer

dabbler · 5th September 2011, 08:59 AM

I have never really liked the midrange of the large Eminence and B&C woofers in some econowave-style builds. To me they sound coloured and edgy. I am looking to mate it with a tractrix horn at 800hz crossover via minidsp so demands on the woofer will be less than the typical econowave build but still I dont know if I will be happy with it playing this high. Ill be using an old cabinet with a 12" hole so size is fixed.

Can anyone recommend some 12" woofers that play smooth and clean up to and beyond this point for a easy crossover to the horn? Decent efficiency to 40-50hz and a reasonable price would be nice too.

vadi · 5th September 2011, 10:20 AM

I use Beyma 12LX60, it is good sounding, and uses the same huge motor from the 15" and 18" models.

dabbler · 5th September 2011, 12:27 PM

Hi Vadi, what crossover point are you using with them?

Tytte71 · 5th September 2011, 02:11 PM

I am planning for a similar setup and have been recommended the Ciare NDH 12-3 by Usspeaker - Unfortunately I haven't tried or bought it yet. Or maybe the 12" - drivervault can be of some help...
Cheers

vadi · 5th September 2011, 02:52 PM

It is a 2nd order LR at 800Hz. Voices have sounded very nice. The upper midrange is a Seas H1304 MCA12rc.
I don't have measurements, and I use a MiniDSP too.

jcx · 5th September 2011, 03:14 PM

did you look at Geddes discussion on Abbey woofer selection?

meister_gue · 5th September 2011, 07:55 PM

It is very sad, but Beyma stopped the production of the 12LX60 over a year ago. But Beymas 12G40 is a great sounding driver, that does 800Hz without any problems. Specs: http://beyma.de/fileadmin/seiten/dow...z-12G40_1_.pdf

MaximumPuffer · 5th September 2011, 10:52 PM

Acoustic Elegance TD12M

CLS · 6th September 2011, 01:26 AM

Supravox ?

mayhem13 · 6th September 2011, 02:56 AM

The mid you mention using has excellent on and off axis response to 400hz and with the same 2nd order filter, i see absolutely no reason NOT to use it that low. As to a 'sensitive' woofer, given the limits of the midrange no need for anything more than 88db 1w/1m unless this design is OB. Given this usable range of 400hz on down and 88db sensitivity most any quality non-pro sound woofer gets this done quite easily and with a spacious cabinent will play lower than any 12" pro midwoofer.

As in any design, it's all about the midrange and you've chosen an excellent one that i'd capitalize on, keeping the entire midrange out of the range of an XO component.....say to 3 khz or so.

5th September 2011, 08:59 AM	#1
dabbler Account disabled at member's request Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Between cities!	Looking for a wide-ish range 12" woofer I have never really liked the midrange of the large Eminence and B&C woofers in some econowave-style builds. To me they sound coloured and edgy. I am looking to mate it with a tractrix horn at 800hz crossover via minidsp so demands on the woofer will be less than the typical econowave build but still I dont know if I will be happy with it playing this high. Ill be using an old cabinet with a 12" hole so size is fixed. Can anyone recommend some 12" woofers that play smooth and clean up to and beyond this point for a easy crossover to the horn? Decent efficiency to 40-50hz and a reasonable price would be nice too.

5th September 2011, 10:20 AM	#2
vadi diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wean	I use Beyma 12LX60, it is good sounding, and uses the same huge motor from the 15" and 18" models. __________________ Ultrabarbarium

5th September 2011, 02:52 PM	#5
vadi diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wean	It is a 2nd order LR at 800Hz. Voices have sounded very nice. The upper midrange is a Seas H1304 MCA12rc. I don't have measurements, and I use a MiniDSP too. __________________ Ultrabarbarium

5th September 2011, 10:52 PM	#8
MaximumPuffer diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Nanaimo British Columbia	AE Acoustic Elegance TD12M

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5th September 2011, 12:27 PM	#3
dabbler Account disabled at member's request Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Between cities!	Hi Vadi, what crossover point are you using with them?

5th September 2011, 02:11 PM	#4
Tytte71 diyAudio Member Join Date: Oct 2010	I am planning for a similar setup and have been recommended the Ciare NDH 12-3 by Usspeaker - Unfortunately I haven't tried or bought it yet. Or maybe the 12" - drivervault can be of some help... Cheers

5th September 2011, 03:14 PM	#6
jcx diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: ..	did you look at Geddes discussion on Abbey woofer selection?

5th September 2011, 07:55 PM	#7
meister_gue diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2008	It is very sad, but Beyma stopped the production of the 12LX60 over a year ago. But Beymas 12G40 is a great sounding driver, that does 800Hz without any problems. Specs: http://beyma.de/fileadmin/seiten/dow...z-12G40_1_.pdf

6th September 2011, 01:26 AM	#9
CLS diyAudio Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Taiwan	Supravox ?

6th September 2011, 02:56 AM	#10
mayhem13 diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2008	The mid you mention using has excellent on and off axis response to 400hz and with the same 2nd order filter, i see absolutely no reason NOT to use it that low. As to a 'sensitive' woofer, given the limits of the midrange no need for anything more than 88db 1w/1m unless this design is OB. Given this usable range of 400hz on down and 88db sensitivity most any quality non-pro sound woofer gets this done quite easily and with a spacious cabinent will play lower than any 12" pro midwoofer. As in any design, it's all about the midrange and you've chosen an excellent one that i'd capitalize on, keeping the entire midrange out of the range of an XO component.....say to 3 khz or so.

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