HT Line Array and T-Line Build - diyAudio
Go Back   Home > Forums > Loudspeakers > Multi-Way

Multi-Way Conventional loudspeakers with crossovers

Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.

Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 27th August 2011, 01:55 AM   #1
diyAudio Member
 
tHEbLENNY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Rochester, NY
Default HT Line Array and T-Line Build

This is my first speaker build...Well, not exactly. I have built a hand full of sub enclosures as experiments but didn't seek many references when designing. I have been reading a ton of these threads as well as MJK, and others. Thank you all so much for access to your projects and experiments, and insight.

The room is about 25' x 40' x 11' tall. It is the living room of a loft in an old textile factory.

My Transmission Line uses 2-8" Dayton DCS205-4.
I decided to use a tapered line to help clean up upper harmonics. It is a 10:1 taper; as suggested on "Pearls from MJK". I also slid the drivers 1/3 down the length of the line which is ~68". The drivers are facing opposite directions, pushpush, and are coupled together at 4 of the 8 mounting screws by 4 dowels that span the inside width of the enclosure. I used 3" long deck screws with 3/4" shoulder (3/4" MDF) to really squeeze them tight to each other in hopes they would cancel out each others vibration and keep it from transferring to the box itself. I lined the box with carpet underlayment (I've heard its not the best but my office just got new carpets and I was too excited to listen to look for another option!).


The Line arrays use 8-
3" Peerless India W3-LK76-PBK and 1-1" Pyramid TW18BK per channel - MMMMTMMMM. I just multiplied the individual drivers' enclosure volume to dictate the chambers for each pair of four drivers. The tweeter is completely cut off from the 8 mid range above and below it to get precise with volume and add rigidity to the enclosure. The tweeters are also on a separate channel from the mid range at the receiver.


I had the T-line finished for a few weeks before I finished the arrays and I hooked it up with my regular, bought speakers and was very very please with it! I'm not an expert nor do I have the sound equipment to measure it but It sounded great to me. Such a great addition to the atmosphere of the music. The response is fantastic with kick drums and bass guitar, and really encompassing with electronic bass.
I tried stuffing the line up to the drivers starting at the closed end. It REALLY muffled output without any noticeable gain in quality so I took it out.

The arrays sound very nice too. Music and movies have a really full presence. Coupled with the sub they really shine. The system seems to sound a whole lot better at high volume. The mid range seem to not show up so well when turned down low. I think my amp has something to do with it. Also I have not crossed any of the speakers yet. I want to do that soon, but haven't looked much into it.
I mounted the arrays on a series of door hinges so they can articulate out and face any direction side to side less than 180 degrees. I wanted to be able to "sweet spot" them as well as projecting out into the room at different directions. As most array set ups I have read about the sweet spot is very sweet, but general walking about listening is not so great. At least the swivel effect is good for conversations at a party! The sub is mounted low on the wall. The rear wall of the enclosure is about 4 inches off the brick wall so the rear sub can breath. I originally planned to mount it horozontal, but this filled the room much better for some reason.
In the future maybe I'll build taller arrays. I really like the full stage sound and could use even more. I designed the whole setup in sketchup for an easier and more accurate build.

Here are some pics -
Attached Images
File Type: jpg DSCN2651.jpg (710.5 KB, 242 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN2654.jpg (643.8 KB, 219 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN2659.jpg (773.2 KB, 208 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN2661.jpg (631.7 KB, 196 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN2859.jpg (586.0 KB, 191 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN2860.jpg (609.7 KB, 66 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN2865.jpg (427.4 KB, 99 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN2867.jpg (462.1 KB, 110 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN2862.jpg (405.4 KB, 90 views)
File Type: jpg HT.jpg (261.2 KB, 86 views)
  Reply With Quote
Old 27th August 2011, 02:15 AM   #2
just another
diyAudio Moderator
 
wintermute's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Sydney
Blog Entries: 22
Hi and welcome to diyAudio A most impressive first project I must say

Tony.
__________________
Any intelligence I may appear to have is purely artificial!
Some of my photos
  Reply With Quote
Old 27th August 2011, 02:33 AM   #3
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Orlando
Very nice setup.
  Reply With Quote
Old 27th August 2011, 07:17 PM   #4
diyAudio Member
 
tHEbLENNY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Rochester, NY
I'm testing out stuffing in the arrays, but not noticing a big change. Guess I'll try different densities and see what comes of it.
  Reply With Quote
Old 29th February 2012, 03:52 PM   #5
fhperez is offline fhperez  United States
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Houston Texas
Send a message via AIM to fhperez Send a message via MSN to fhperez Send a message via Yahoo to fhperez Send a message via Skype™ to fhperez
Very Nice Build...
__________________
The best DJ in Houston using the SS15 born in diyAudio from Jbell and the rest of the community!!
  Reply With Quote
Old 29th February 2012, 05:01 PM   #6
mdocod is offline mdocod  United States
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Black Forest, CO
Send a message via AIM to mdocod
You have a mid-bass line, and a high frequency point/multi-point source. It's a "partial" line array. It's only a functioning line below those frequencies that the drivers can couple into a line source. In many cases, the benefits of the enormous dynamic capabilities of the semi-line, combined with the "presence" factor, often overshadow all of very significant flaws in your type of application. Such arrangements are common in lower budget sound reinforcement, where sheer volume and spacial averaging will overcome the flaws to the point that the listener is none the wiser. The fact that you have noticed that the system only really sounds "good" when used at higher listening levels is supporting evidence for what I have described above.

The major factors working against your system are as follows:

1. Likely the mid-bass drivers are carrying frequencies above the point that they will blend into a line source. The result "combing" (or lobing, take your pick, google it).
2. A line source has a different "gain" effect than a point source. As the volume is turned up, the line source couples more intensely with limited vertical dispersion. In your case, there is a listening level where the "mid-bass-line" finds a reasonable match to the "high-frequency-point-source" and everything sounds pretty good. Above and below that point, the highs are either exaggerated or nullified.

The project is very neat, and I appreciate anyone who is willing to start cutting the boards and building something. Thank you for sharing it with us! With some guidance, you may be able to improve on the design.

Eric
  Reply With Quote
Old 29th February 2012, 05:04 PM   #7
frugal-phile(tm)
diyAudio Moderator
 
planet10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Victoria, BC, NA, Sol III
Blog Entries: 5
Nice project. I have some of those tweeters. You might want to pull thenm apart and see if the plastic horn moulding needs some clean up -- mine did. The decorative ring on the front comes off and there are screws underneath.

dave
__________________
community sites t-linespeakers.org, frugal-horn.com, frugal-phile.com ........ commercial site planet10-HiFi
p10-hifi forum here at diyA
  Reply With Quote
Old 29th February 2012, 05:58 PM   #8
chrisb is offline chrisb  Canada
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: victoria BC
It's great to see a flat screen not mounted as ridiculously high on the wall as "interior designers" seem wont to do. Maybe they get a kickback from physio / chiropractic practitioners for adjusting those stiff neck / shoulders

tidy work
__________________
now on sabbatical
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Hide this!Advertise here!
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Line array dilemma for 7.1 HT (Long) exipnos Multi-Way 29 17th May 2005 11:23 PM
Line array for HT with built in powered woofs elambert Multi-Way 0 27th April 2005 02:44 PM
Line Array for HT Fazorcat Multi-Way 5 6th April 2005 05:53 PM
my first HT project.... LINE ARRAY BABY Feandil Multi-Way 10 11th March 2005 08:26 PM


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 05:50 AM.


vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright 1999-2014 diyAudio

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2