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Old 28th May 2011, 01:21 PM   #21
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Saint Saens, 3rd Symphony, Munch, Boston SO, Bartok, Concerto for Orchestra, Reiner, Chicago SO: two excellent recordings that I've lived with for 35 years.

Mark Knopfler / Chet Atkins "Neck and Neck", Randy Newman "Faust", Lyle Lovett "Joshua Judges Ruth" : all very good studio recordings that can be listened to multiple times before the brain explodes (important at the tweaking stage).

...various Pink Floyd, Beatles, Simon and Garfunkel,Cooder, Taj Mahal...familiarity reigns.
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Old 28th May 2011, 01:45 PM   #22
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Old 29th May 2011, 09:45 AM   #23
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Hey, a lot of old-timers here and familiar old favourites.

I agree with the basic point long-familiarity being the key but really old recordings just don't have the quality ultimately.

Don't laugh, but for bass, I have an old favourite "performance" from around 1960: the bass sweep band 300-20 repeated many times made by Popular Science. I've heard that sweep thousands of times since.

Howard Hanson, Telarc, Holst's Band Suites. Incredible loud bass drum, sax, all the brass in the world. I think it is band 6 that has an orchestral anvil. Each improvement in my treble makes it sound more metalic and there's no way to fudge the upper upper treble and sound metalic.

Anybody think of another piece with an anvil?

I gotta say, on psych-theoretical grounds and from experience, I can't understand the assessment value of a blast of pink noise? Always sounds like random noise to me. Maybe a system has to have terrible peaks for pink noise to sound different on that system? But Olive and Toole rate it highly as discriminative in their listening tests with naive listeners. Puzzling to me.
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I always use pink noise for testing desk EQ and graphics, much easier to hear differences than with music.
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I always use pink noise for testing desk EQ and graphics, much easier to hear differences than with music.
I can picture A-B'ing with pink noise. That's comparative.

But I can't imagine screwing the back panel on a box late one night, turning on pink noise, and then saying, "Gosh, that's really good (or right or something)." That involves a judgment of what pink noise "really" sounds like and remembering it - despite all the problems with that kind of subjective memory.
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I always use pink noise for testing desk EQ and graphics, much easier to hear differences than with music.
LOL we wouldn't expect any other colour Al. A pinkmouse listening to white noise just wouln't be right! but yes, I'm sure I remember David Weems suggesting that listening to an unturned TV channel was a very useful for evaluating speakers, unfortunately I can't remember exactly what it tested

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But pink noise can sometimes tell you what's wrong. I have some minimonitors on hand that got a rave review in one of the high end magazines. Music sounded OK through them, but with something not quite right. Pink noise immediately pinpointed the problem- the woofer and tweeter were clearly audible as separate sources!
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Old 29th May 2011, 03:13 PM   #28
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A grand classic that one! Isn't it the version used on the Clockwork Orange soundtrack? 4th movement, anyway.
Don't know but as I heard it, this recording of the 9th set the parameter for Sony of how long each disc had to play. It had to be long enough to get this (or another Von Karajan recording) of the 9th on a single disc because it was the most popular classical recording in Japan. It also had to be small enough for the player to fit into the space of a standard car radio/cassette player in an automobile. I guess that was the best technology developed at the time and why the 44.1KBPS standard was developed. Phillips I think was their partner in it. So if you're unhappy and believe this is not adequate (I think it is excellent and good enough for any music) then this at least may be the reason why.
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... I can't understand the assessment value of a blast of pink noise? ...
I find it helpful as an audibility check for different polar response implementations. Try moving up, down, and around the room with one speaker playing pink noise.
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I find it helpful as an audibility check for different polar response implementations. Try moving up, down, and around the room with one speaker playing pink noise.
Ah, another good use. Thanks. Well again, kind of a comparative "yes/no" measure once again as you move into and out of an iso-contour.

But can just listening to pink noise be informative as an absolute judgment?
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