After some haggling I paid 10k RMB (about 1500USD).
Yes, they look like B&W knock-offs, and in fact, their whole design is based on the B&W 804 range (or so I read on one of the few reviews I could find). The crossovers are german.
For the time being I hooked them up on my AV receiver to help break them in. My AV receiver is way more powerful and almost every day I watch TV using the AV receiver so they should be worked on a daily basis. Not ideal but since at the moment my B&W CDM7NT's still sound better, I keep those attached to my tube amp for the next month or two.
I hope you are right nanchangbob. I did consider the M12's (officially not available in China, but hey, this is china, anything is possible!) because I read some godo tests on those, and they are smaller than the M15's which were too big for me. I have to say, I heard them during a SIAV audio fair in Shanghai and the M15's didn't blow me away. In fact, the only ones that blew me away were the B&W 800's! However, the M15's do need breaking in for some 200 hours or so before they start to sing, and I guess the show had new ones (the local agent told me they would come that week, and now has them in his store), which means they didn't sound optimal.
As for chinese websites, well, you can look at ÌÔ±¦Íø - ÌÔ£¡ÎÒϲ»¶, which is similar to ebay except no bidding, but you need to know chinese or know model numbers. Chinese brands are many to have. I found copies of SOnus faber speakers. well replicated, but wouldn't spend my money on them. If you know some chinese you may be able to search. I don't so googling chinese speakers isn't easy. The main brands that I know of are ShengYa, Opera, Hivi and Cav. other brands I am not really familiar with.
Yes, they look like B&W knock-offs, and in fact, their whole design is based on the B&W 804 range (or so I read on one of the few reviews I could find). The crossovers are german.
For the time being I hooked them up on my AV receiver to help break them in. My AV receiver is way more powerful and almost every day I watch TV using the AV receiver so they should be worked on a daily basis. Not ideal but since at the moment my B&W CDM7NT's still sound better, I keep those attached to my tube amp for the next month or two.
I hope you are right nanchangbob. I did consider the M12's (officially not available in China, but hey, this is china, anything is possible!) because I read some godo tests on those, and they are smaller than the M15's which were too big for me. I have to say, I heard them during a SIAV audio fair in Shanghai and the M15's didn't blow me away. In fact, the only ones that blew me away were the B&W 800's! However, the M15's do need breaking in for some 200 hours or so before they start to sing, and I guess the show had new ones (the local agent told me they would come that week, and now has them in his store), which means they didn't sound optimal.
As for chinese websites, well, you can look at ÌÔ±¦Íø - ÌÔ£¡ÎÒϲ»¶, which is similar to ebay except no bidding, but you need to know chinese or know model numbers. Chinese brands are many to have. I found copies of SOnus faber speakers. well replicated, but wouldn't spend my money on them. If you know some chinese you may be able to search. I don't so googling chinese speakers isn't easy. The main brands that I know of are ShengYa, Opera, Hivi and Cav. other brands I am not really familiar with.
Ksporry,
My spoken Chinese is okay but I can't read or write. I will see if I can find some websites for you though. I also heard the Opera speakers at a high fi show in Guangzhou. They sounded nice but the room was to small and crowded. It's China! A lot of hi-fi magazines are available but that does me no good. If I can find any websites I will let you know and then you can translate them using google translate.
My spoken Chinese is okay but I can't read or write. I will see if I can find some websites for you though. I also heard the Opera speakers at a high fi show in Guangzhou. They sounded nice but the room was to small and crowded. It's China! A lot of hi-fi magazines are available but that does me no good. If I can find any websites I will let you know and then you can translate them using google translate.
I tried to find reviews in Chinese on the LS-310's but I didn't have much luck. I did find some in Chinese on the Opera M-15's and overall not really good. Much like your impression Ksporry. Hawkson I really don't know if there is a good Chinese website that talks/reviews speakers. The next time I'm in Guangzhou I will see if the people I met there know of any. I have always been a bit disappointed with Chinese speakers overall. The electronics are fine and fairly cheap. I had a pair of Vandersteen 2ce Sig II sent from the factory as I couldn't find anything I really liked a few years ago when I was looking. Be warned that shipping luxury products into China is not easy. Luckily I found an official that could be coerced with some Scotch and cigarettes. I'm sure the speakers are coming along well here in China. I just haven't went looking much.
Actually, I think I found a couple of websites a while back, and there is a whole host of forums to be found in chinese. I'll try to dig them out tonight and post them here, and google is your uncle!
Indeed I too didn't find any Chinese reviews on the LS-310's. I found 1 user review (I think the guy was german) which was short but semi-professional, one forum where they were discussed (also german), and one article of a german magazine that was overal quite positive an dtested them in teh sam eleague as klipsch (cant remember the model) and tannoy's (the High efficiency ones). note that in europe the germans import them and sell them under the name Vincent. I suspect there are a couple of french reviews out there but I didn't look.
As for the M15's, if they are similar to the M12's (and I asusme they are except for the driver size and bass reflex port and cabinet size obviously). If you do a google search for M12 reviews, you will find western reviews that are very positive about the M12's, however, they also state that the M12's need at least 200 hours burn in time before they start to open up, and they'll continue to improve after that.
Indeed I too didn't find any Chinese reviews on the LS-310's. I found 1 user review (I think the guy was german) which was short but semi-professional, one forum where they were discussed (also german), and one article of a german magazine that was overal quite positive an dtested them in teh sam eleague as klipsch (cant remember the model) and tannoy's (the High efficiency ones). note that in europe the germans import them and sell them under the name Vincent. I suspect there are a couple of french reviews out there but I didn't look.
As for the M15's, if they are similar to the M12's (and I asusme they are except for the driver size and bass reflex port and cabinet size obviously). If you do a google search for M12 reviews, you will find western reviews that are very positive about the M12's, however, they also state that the M12's need at least 200 hours burn in time before they start to open up, and they'll continue to improve after that.
Right,
Apologies for not providing those websites earlier as promised. Work got me side tracked from the audio game for a bit.
Here are some for you guys to explore. They are in chinese so you'll have to either learn to read chinese or Google is your uncle...
http://www.imperialgranary.com.cn/index1.asp
=http://www.tubebbs.com/
=http://www.hi-fiav.com/bbs/
http://www.jdbbs.com/
=http://www.hifi168.com/
=http://www.avfline.com/beta/index.php
=http://www.hdavchina.com/portal.php
=http://www.yesaudio.com.cn/cpzs/product25.asp
=http://www.audiodiy.cn/CPZS/DJXL/
http://www.ht-hifi.com.cn/
Hope this gives you guys something to ponder on...
Enjoy!
PS if the characters look strange, well I don't know why. Seems to be a feature of the software that drives these forums...
Apologies for not providing those websites earlier as promised. Work got me side tracked from the audio game for a bit.
Here are some for you guys to explore. They are in chinese so you'll have to either learn to read chinese or Google is your uncle...
http://www.imperialgranary.com.cn/index1.asp
=http://www.tubebbs.com/
=http://www.hi-fiav.com/bbs/
http://www.jdbbs.com/
=http://www.hifi168.com/
=http://www.avfline.com/beta/index.php
=http://www.hdavchina.com/portal.php
=http://www.yesaudio.com.cn/cpzs/product25.asp
=http://www.audiodiy.cn/CPZS/DJXL/
http://www.ht-hifi.com.cn/
Hope this gives you guys something to ponder on...
Enjoy!
PS if the characters look strange, well I don't know why. Seems to be a feature of the software that drives these forums...
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I've got them hooked up on my AV set at the moment. I'm pretty busy with work, also in the evenings, so I haven't had that much chance to put them through their pases properly. I might shove in a test CD and let that run for a couple of days because so far I think I only accumulated a couple of dozen of hours, which is not enough I think. For a proper workout they'll probably need some 200 hours or so I recon. What do you think?
base seems o become a little less dominant now though, which is a good development.
base seems o become a little less dominant now though, which is a good development.
When I got my Vandersteens I took my Denon AV receiver and put it on FM for about 2 weeks. From the time I woke until I went to bed before I did any serious listening. Then I switched them to my main set-up. Almost everyone says that the speakers need to break-in before they sound right. People always argue if normal gear needs break-in but I think most are in agreement about speakers. I think 200-300 hours is a good benchmark.
From the different speakers I owned I really can't remember, how long it took.
From the different speakers I owned I really can't remember, how long it took.
I bought, in the UK, a pair of Chinese built LS3/5a lookalike speakers. As they were at a good price I took a chance. They were BestVox LS3/5as, 11 ohm.
I was very surprised when they sounded very close to the Rogers LS3/5as 11 ohm I owned at the time. Upon looking inside, they had the classic 11 ohm crossovers with a resistor bridge, which looked very much like Kef ones.
The cabinet foam was a little thin and the bi-wire terminals were not of the highest quality.
I bought a set of BBC spec. foam linings and new terminals, from Falcon Acoustics.
The foam change slightly tightened up the bass end.
I re-badged them MGM Audio, my little business name.
Eventually they went to Spain to a very happy owner.
He later bought a pair of Goodmans LS3/5as from me and still slightly prefers the 11 ohm '3/5as I sold him.
A few pictures of them are on the Photos section of the Yahoo LS3/5a discussion group.
I was very surprised when they sounded very close to the Rogers LS3/5as 11 ohm I owned at the time. Upon looking inside, they had the classic 11 ohm crossovers with a resistor bridge, which looked very much like Kef ones.
The cabinet foam was a little thin and the bi-wire terminals were not of the highest quality.
I bought a set of BBC spec. foam linings and new terminals, from Falcon Acoustics.
The foam change slightly tightened up the bass end.
I re-badged them MGM Audio, my little business name.
Eventually they went to Spain to a very happy owner.
He later bought a pair of Goodmans LS3/5as from me and still slightly prefers the 11 ohm '3/5as I sold him.
A few pictures of them are on the Photos section of the Yahoo LS3/5a discussion group.
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