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Old 17th November 2010, 01:13 AM   #11
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I feel your pain Gain. Been there. Imagine if they had made the cheap mods to the Behringer to reduce its diffraction.

Soongsc, when you were listening, you could read the word "Behringer". It's seems harsh just writing it.

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Well, after your findings on the B2031P, I went to a store that carries Behringer equipment and asked for that model, but they only had the B2031A, so that was what I listened to. The store owner made it clear that it's something to go for when budget limited. I think a chip amp would have been a better implementation for such small power.

FWIW, at Hi End shows, in most rooms I stay about one minute.
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Old 17th November 2010, 01:17 AM   #12
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Behringer still make the B2031P, a passive version. Perhaps a fairer comparison?
I would most certainly think so.
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Old 17th November 2010, 01:39 AM   #13
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Thanks for posting this - I had heard it was going to happen, but didn't hear anything about it after that. They tried to get a Gedlee speaker in there, but Earl wasn't into it, I think.

I'm very surprised by the results. I wonder what to take from them??
Hmmm interesting .. Earl opted out ?

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There must be something wrong. I could not stand listening to the Behringer B2031A
for more than 5 minutes. The sound was quite harsh, probably due to the class D amp in it. I think it would have been a more credible comparison if the Behringer B2031A
had a better amp.

Why would Earl want to get involved with this?
Good question , was the comparison test flawed ?
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There must be something wrong. I could not stand listening to the Behringer B2031A
for more than 5 minutes. The sound was quite harsh, probably due to the class D amp in it. I think it would have been a more credible comparison if the Behringer B2031A
had a better amp.
According to the pics on this thread the amps are the trusty LM3886s, paralleled for the bass/mid. There's a grounding problem, with pin1 going onto the pcb, rather than the recommended chassis connection. So that could be why you heard a gritty sound. Seems Seigfried also noticed some harshness on selected tracks in his own listening.

Since its got such good press I'm going to try tracking a pair down and hot-rodding the electronics.
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Looking at the test setup, it appears they had all the speakers setup at the same time . If so, Dipoles (open baffle) speakers are easily affected by objects being close to them.

The speakers using subwoofers would have an distinct advantage or the Orions...
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The LM3886 are good, I use them as well, but with switching power supply. However I recall reading the manual indicating class D amp (or was it mentioned by the store owner?) Anyway, give it a good chip amp, and the sound would be worth it.
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I know you are picky Soongsc. Just pointing out so people can keep things in perspective. I actually think the B2031P is a bit harsh(I've written about it several times and have a lot of experience with it), less so cheaply modded. On a budget, awful hard to beat. Just ask SL--oops, different budget category. It's just a good speaker that needs a little tweaking to sound/measure its best. The real interesting point here is that this other speaker actually won the competition. Makes you think there's more to explore--or perhaps not.

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Normally, if I can't hear the speakers, I ask for certain data to help decide whether it's worth investigating. If it's not available, it just doesn't get on the list for consideration.
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How very disturbing...for Orion owners
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FWIW on that Behringer 2031, I'd mod the cabinet as well--rather first.
Look at this response:
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Then with the ports stuffed with cotton:
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Many other cheap and practical mods available, but that one is an obvious and easily noticeable improvement anyone can quickly do w/o even a screwdriver or duct tape.

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