flush\inwall\ib project. questions as they arise

Flaesh · 29th June 2010, 10:29 PM

introduction
It's uncertain long-term project

.
MF\HF definetly will Radian 950pb in p-audio ph2380 - 2380 clones(i have them already). perhaps biggest horns much later.
LF\MB - supposedly some custom big drivers in IB; until their early to discuss..
UHF - I'll think\deside later..
Cross - supposedly dcx2496. I'll order in the next few days.
Room in attachment (listening room - on right, 4.2*4.8 m, 20 m^2,).
Thanks for your input.

Flaesh · 11:19 PM

question 1.
where better to make a hole in the wall for horns? Toe-in or not?

I'd moved horns (alas w\o LF, 1order about 500 hz crossed) hither and thither. subjectively about 2.6-2.8 m between seems better than less distance for horns parallel to wall.
Also I tried corner placement toed-in 45° (I read some Wayn Parham texts and others similar..). May be, 4.2 m between speakers is too large distance or distance from listener to speakers is not enaugh? Right\left sounds gathers in right\left corners..

..
Toed-in with non-corner placement is contrary to flush-mounting..
Defined directivity horns (Everest like) seems unavailable..
Theortically, reconstruction of fron wall to \_/ shape is possible, but practically and now -

....

GM · 30th June 2010, 12:45 AM

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Flaesh · 01:20 AM

yes, I registred there last year and read many.
it slightly different cult.
I hope, praeps unresonable

- I'll have no subwoofer..

And also I googled&googled flush\inwall\soffit mounted speakers.. Results: common phrase that is good, studio projects with speakers pointed at listening point and ugly set of wretched homecinemaspeakers for inwall mounting ..

Flaesh · 01:40 AM

p.s.: from Manuals
"The loudspeakers can be placed as close to the front wall as possible (mounting the speakers in the wall, in soffits, being ideal) ...(Users should consult with their Westlake dealer or the Westlake Audio technical staff for soffit mounting guidelines)."
do wright me to Westlake Audio technical staff ?

promise that I'll buy a pair of TM-3 monitors ( http://www.westlakeaudio.com/Speaker...ries/tm-3.html ), it seems unfair

PeteMcK · 30th June 2010, 04:05 AM

re:'Toe-in or not?' - depends on the directivity characteristics if the driver, and how you listen - sitting in one spot, or moving around? At least with boxes, you can change your mind.... and not affect the rear room so much too... although I guess you're prepared to sacrifice that room...

Flaesh · 30th June 2010, 04:42 AM

2380 is 90x40 horn.
I'm almost never sitting\listening exactly in "sweet spot". and I hate laserbeaming speakers.
I had some boxes&open baffles, and don't want now

I (almost)don't sacrifice room aria with this project relatively hundred liters boxes standing 3' from walls. and the wall I do not mind

..

29th June 2010, 11:11 PM	#2
Flaesh diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eburg	question 1. where better to make a hole in the wall for horns? Toe-in or not? I'd moved horns (alas w\o LF, 1order about 500 hz crossed) hither and thither. subjectively about 2.6-2.8 m between seems better than less distance for horns parallel to wall. Also I tried corner placement toed-in 45° (I read some Wayn Parham texts and others similar..). May be, 4.2 m between speakers is too large distance or distance from listener to speakers is not enaugh? Right\left sounds gathers in right\left corners.... Toed-in with non-corner placement is contrary to flush-mounting.. Defined directivity horns (Everest like) seems unavailable.. Theortically, reconstruction of fron wall to \_/ shape is possible, but practically and now - .... __________________ flesh flash flush Last edited by Flaesh; 29th June 2010 at 11:19 PM.

30th June 2010, 12:45 AM	#3
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30th June 2010, 01:05 AM	#4
Flaesh diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eburg	yes, I registred there last year and read many. it slightly different cult. I hope, praeps unresonable - I'll have no subwoofer.. And also I googled&googled flush\inwall\soffit mounted speakers.. Results: common phrase that is good, studio projects with speakers pointed at listening point and ugly set of wretched homecinemaspeakers for inwall mounting .. __________________ flesh flash flush Last edited by Flaesh; 30th June 2010 at 01:20 AM.

30th June 2010, 01:33 AM	#5
Flaesh diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eburg	p.s.: from Manuals "The loudspeakers can be placed as close to the front wall as possible (mounting the speakers in the wall, in soffits, being ideal) ...(Users should consult with their Westlake dealer or the Westlake Audio technical staff for soffit mounting guidelines)." do wright me to Westlake Audio technical staff ? promise that I'll buy a pair of TM-3 monitors ( http://www.westlakeaudio.com/Speaker...ries/tm-3.html ), it seems unfair __________________ flesh flash flush Last edited by Flaesh; 30th June 2010 at 01:40 AM.

30th June 2010, 04:05 AM	#6
PeteMcK diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Sydney	re:'Toe-in or not?' - depends on the directivity characteristics if the driver, and how you listen - sitting in one spot, or moving around? At least with boxes, you can change your mind.... and not affect the rear room so much too... although I guess you're prepared to sacrifice that room... __________________ ‘today… there lives alongside the twentieth century the tenth or thirteenth. A hundred million people use electricity and still believe in the magic power of signs and exorcisms” Trotsky


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30th June 2010, 04:42 AM	#7
Flaesh diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eburg	2380 is 90x40 horn. I'm almost never sitting\listening exactly in "sweet spot". and I hate laserbeaming speakers. I had some boxes&open baffles, and don't want now I (almost)don't sacrifice room aria with this project relatively hundred liters boxes standing 3' from walls. and the wall I do not mind .. __________________ flesh flash flush

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