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Old 12th January 2010, 03:35 AM   #21
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They lack adequate output for life-like dynamics.
by YOUR standards or is this a general sentiment ?

about what % of people in the market for ultra-high-end speakers do you think would say they lack adequate output ?

we're not talking about home theater by the way.
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Old 12th January 2010, 03:40 AM   #22
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My standards, and not just HT.

Dunno...this survey should help you find out
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Old 12th January 2010, 03:40 AM   #23
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OK, Perfect to me would mean $100 a pair on top of everything else but now I understand better.
The sweet spot problem has to do with the lobing of the dispersion pattern. It is a function of frequency and the width or height of the panel. a 12" wide panel will lobe below 1 khz in frequency. 6" - 2khz. ESL panels and regular drivers mounted on a front panel have this problem. The width of the front panel determines the lowest freq.
An ideal speaker is a point source. Think of a round balloon varying from 1/2" in diameter to 6" or 12" from 20 hz to 20khz in frequency. That's what an ideal speaker resembles.
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Old 12th January 2010, 03:47 AM   #24
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Paul W - Nice installation! In the old days people would form a perfect exponential horn with a 16 foot opening in concrete driven with a full range driver. 2 for stereo. Woo Ha!
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Old 12th January 2010, 03:48 AM   #25
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An ideal speaker is a point source. Think of a round balloon varying from 1/2" in diameter to 6" or 12" from 20 hz to 20khz in frequency. That's what an ideal speaker resembles.
so if i built that - would you buy it ?

for say ... $50,000 ?

i am not clever enough to be able to build this for $100.

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Old 12th January 2010, 03:52 AM   #26
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If I could afford it. Also, the market for high end stereo or HT is pretty small, less than 1 million. And audiophiles are a stubborn, opinionated, group of people. Not like selling sliced bread.
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its either i can make a universally perfect speaker or it's not worth bothering.
You cannot be serious!? I really thought you were smarter than that, at least I know you think you are.
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Old 12th January 2010, 03:55 AM   #28
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Hey, no need to throw insults here. We all learn in time.
to see how opinions vary just read some posts here about a few feet of wire.
I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?
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Old 12th January 2010, 04:01 AM   #29
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You cannot be serious!? I really thought you were smarter than that, at least I know you think you are.
it's not possible to build a speaker perfect by standards of romy the cat but it is certainly possible to build one perfect by your standards.

and this is not even a personal attack.

aren't you the one who considers panasonic and pioneer electronics perfect ?
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Old 12th January 2010, 04:10 AM   #30
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Good Luck. Just as a hint, Dayton Wright used sulfur hexaflouride to enclose an ESL panel in a heavy gas to overcome some obstacles. Try selling that today without the Feds causing trouble.
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