I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[gareth]

Originally posted by salas


In my view, the audio cables would have been far less diverse as filters , if the home audio interfaces were standardized.

Are you talking about standarized electrical characteristics in output stages and loudspeaker?

Gareth

[Salas]

And input stages too. Loudspeakers cant be controlled so easily, but there is scope for flatter impedances at least.

[gareth]

A fairly major statement that. Somewhat difficult to implement also. Nonetheless for truly 'un-coloured' sound this would be the way forward, but I feel we would miss some of the enthusiasm found through exploring different designs. I say this based on what I understand you to mean that there really should be only one topology for sources/amplifiers/loudspeakers.
Do I understand you correctly?

Gareth

[Alan Hope]

Originally posted by analog_sa


This is the type of claim which only gives more and deserved fuel to objectivists.

Your perception of a FR change does not in any way mean there is an actual FR change. While i agree that cables sound astonishigly different, in tonal balance as well, to suggest that this is the result of a simple measurable change in FR is beyond naive. And why involve a mike, speakers and a room anyway?

Beyond naive? Hey, tone it down a bit! So you think that burn-in changes can never affect the FR. Have you any evidence for THAT claim?

Obviously the "harshness" or the "graininess" I notice is not a simple FR change, but when I hear that the bass and mid bass have all but disappeared how can that happen without an FR change?

I don't have to do this you know - I can just duck out of this forum and enjoy my music in my pathetic "beyond naive" state. It's all burned in now anyway thank goodness!

[cliffforrest]

Originally posted by Alan Hope


..... but when I hear that the bass and mid bass have all but disappeared how can that happen without an FR change?

.....

Bass almost disappeared??

I find such statements beyond belief! Plugging in a piece of wire and two connectors can almost remove all frequencies below (say) 200Hz? and then they come back again!!

Tht would be measureable with a wet finger! How can any engineer believe that?

I wish someone could explain it to me, and I mean -30dB at 200Hz.

[Salas]

Originally posted by gareth


A fairly major statement that. Somewhat difficult to implement also. Nonetheless for truly 'un-coloured' sound this would be the way forward, but I feel we would miss some of the enthusiasm found through exploring different designs. I say this based on what I understand you to mean that there really should be only one topology for sources/amplifiers/loudspeakers.
Do I understand you correctly?

Gareth

See what professional audio does. For controlled interfacing, they have a standard. XLR 600 Ω. This does not lead to one topology. Ip protocol does not standardize your processor.
But if MC cartridge manufacturers produce any kind of output impedance and output level on a whim, how can you optimize a phono stage for the market? It has to have 2-3 variable user tweakable parameters just to interface well. The average user has to understand how a phono stage works as much as SY then, so to really optimize and not fool around.
As for rights in to playing with coloration, thats a hobby ideal, I understand it, but it will not help this discussion. No reference, is automatically no science. And reference must be transparency.

[Andre Visser]

Originally posted by Alan Hope
Obviously the "harshness" or the "graininess" I notice is not a simple FR change, but when I hear that the bass and mid bass have all but disappeared how can that happen without an FR change?

Alan, I'm not so sure that you will measure a difference in FR, with my amplifiers, I've experienced large differences in perceived bass without changing the FR.

[gareth]

HI salas,
Understandably there are design specifications that are met by different manufacturers, obviously as it would be mayhem on the sales floor. But I understood that if you standardized topology then all cables would sound the same, no?

Gareth

[Andre Visser]

Originally posted by salas
In my view, the audio cables would have been far less diverse as filters , if the home audio interfaces were standardized.

Salas, I've listened to cable of the same topology but different conductor material (copper and silver) and that influence the sound, so I'm not convinced that the interfaces make (all) the difference.

[Salas]

Originally posted by gareth
HI salas,
Understandably there are design specifications that are met by different manufacturers, obviously as it would be mayhem on the sales floor. But I understood that if you standardized topology then all cables would sound the same, no?

Gareth

Wrote it before. Far less, means not 'same'. We can cut on 'proper' filtering parameters.

Originally posted by salas


In my view, the audio cables would have been far less diverse as filters , if the home audio interfaces were standardized.