I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[Francec]

It is about how a component changes the way that music sounds. Some cables collapse an image and flatten it, some expand it to the point of exaggeration, some are more transparent allowing images to better be defined and focused. Some cables have a leaner or drier sound to they while others have a bit of richness to them.

Prime bulltish.

It says that your brain looses its interrest if you force it to listan to the same song for 4-5 hours.And surely,you are not alone to thatThat is not listening to music.It is torture

Even bigger bulltish! I said same CD, not same song for 4-5 hours.
Bulltish still reigns supreme. Sadly, the aforementioned artists don't have any sense of self-perception (or perception generally).

Frank

[Andre Visser]

Originally Posted by janneman

See how quickly you lose it? Here you say your sure without any backup or even supporting arguments; it's just conjecture from your part, and....

... here it suddenly is presented as proven fact. Well, it's STILL conjecture from your part, Andre.
jd

I'm so sorry Jan, that wasn't the intention, please change all the 'you's' to 'I'.

[Curly Woods]

Originally Posted by Francec

Prime bulltish.
Even bigger bulltish! I said same CD, not same song for 4-5 hours.
Bulltish still reigns supreme. Sadly, the aforementioned artists don't have any sense of self-perception (or perception generally).

Frank

If your system does not allow these factors to be present, please do not tell me that mine does not my friend. Maybe you lack the ability to set up your system to allow these aspects to be present and in a degrre that they are understandable. I have over 20 years of listening to great systems and have learned how to make them sound their best thru experience. Again if you lack these aspects of musical reproduction, do not try to limit what I am capable of achieving in mine. Thank you

[Jakob2]

Originally Posted by janneman

It's really simple. If you are aware that level differences cause perception differences, and you want to find out if two cables sound different, you should match levels. If you don't, you're just fooling around, that should be clear to anyone with a grasp of logic. That's OK, but don't expect us to pay any attention to what you say.

jd

Hoi jan,

what´s wrong today?

First, afair i wrote that level differences wouldn´t be accetable in any scientific experiment.

Second, if the result of a level matched dbt confirms the result of sighted tests without level matching (but followed "the turn to zero between routine" ) what´s to conclude with a "grasp of logic" ?

Please remember what i´ve posted before; i have conducted blind tests and dbts with ~120 participants and quite often have seen, that the above mentioned did happen.

Wishes

[Andre Visser]

Originally Posted by Francec

I hear many things, however, I know that my brain makes me a prime example of a bulltish artist so I discount most of what I hear until another time/day. I leave one CD playing for 4 to 5 hours on loop and it sounds different from one song to a repeat so what does that say about human cognition (and I'm not alone in that).
Frank

I must admit you are good, normally I battle to listen through a CD once.

[Panicos K]

Originally Posted by Francec

Prime bulltish.
Even bigger bulltish! I said same CD, not same song for 4-5 hours.
Bulltish still reigns supreme. Sadly, the aforementioned artists don't have any sense of self-perception (or perception generally).

Frank

Yes,sorry for the "bulltish".Still listening to the same cd(all of it not just one song),is a torture.You are not sitting in front of your system all these 4-5 hours,are you?If you are,this is self-torture
I know you are not so please spare me with the "bulltish"thing,Doing different things in the house during these 4-5 hours,surely your brain can't concentrate on music,so same tracks sound -as expected-different.Not to mention that there will be times during these 4-5 hours of listening to the same cd(not just the same song),that you will not even remember if you have heard one or two of them.If this is "bulltish" too for you,no problem.

[Panicos K]

Originally Posted by Francec

Prime bulltish.
Even bigger bulltish! I said same CD, not same song for 4-5 hours.
Bulltish still reigns supreme. Sadly, the aforementioned artists don't have any sense of self-perception (or perception generally).

Frank

One more thing.Doesn't your superior intelligence allow you to be more flexible to someone who's mother language is not the same as your's,so he may do some mistakes?

[doug20]

Originally Posted by Curly Woods

If your system does not allow these factors to be present, please do not tell me that mine does not my friend. Maybe you lack the ability to set up your system to allow these aspects to be present and in a degrre that they are understandable. I have over 20 years of listening to great systems and have learned how to make them sound their best thru experience. Again if you lack these aspects of musical reproduction, do not try to limit what I am capable of achieving in mine. Thank you

Could you ever actually prove you have a better setup then ANYONE that does not agree with you?

It seems you have one arguement and you just keep posting it. You keep saying our systems are not up to your standards and that we have "learned" how to listen.

Show me the science and measurements that back your opinion because until then I can only conclude that your system is pretty flawed and that you have been brainwashed for 20 years.

[doug20]

Originally Posted by Andre Visser

But there are measurable differences, the only problem is to decide what level of differences are audible and to whom. Certainly, there will be different opinions on that as people's hearing and LISTENING ability vary quite a lot.

My brother can hear a transistor amp, driving a dummy load, sing to over 22kHz, I can't even hear it no matter how hard I try. In other aspects I can hear differences he can't.

The only difference is that some people control their testing and some people do not.

Your brother can hear 22KHz?? I would love to read proof of that.

[Curly Woods]

Originally Posted by doug20

Could you ever actually prove you have a better setup then ANYONE that does not agree with you?

It seems you have one arguement and you just keep posting it. You keep saying our systems are not up to your standards and that we have "learned" how to listen.

Show me the science and measurements that back your opinion because until then I can only conclude that your system is pretty flawed and that you have been brainwashed for 20 years.

What do I have to prove Doug? I never said that I have a better system than anyone else. I said that my system is capable of allowing me to enjoy music the way that I want to hear it. This is not personal, so please do not make it a personal issue. I have no ax to grind with you or anyone else here. if you do not agree with me that is your choice. I make choices too. Is that hard to understand? As far as science goes it allows us to enjoy hi-fi equipment, but many aspects as to why some things sound different are yet to be quantified. Do you think that science has stopped learning new and unknown aspects of our world today? I hope not. There are still great advancements that have yet to be realized.