I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[doug20]

Originally Posted by john curl

DB listening tests are unfortunately found to obscure differences that pop right back, after the test is concluded. In other words, they appear to 'just hide' the listening differences, momentarily, and this is 'science'?

Yeah, DBTs are valid in the world of science. Do you have credential to question the scientific world?

[john curl]

Well, I KNOW that tires make a difference on my Porsche. And real leather is kind of nice, but I won't say more comfortable. Did you mean $200 for a set of 4 tires? Or just one tire? Do you buy PS tires at a discount store or what?

[john curl]

I have a degree in physics. Is that enough?

[doug20]

Originally Posted by john curl

Well, I KNOW that tires make a difference on my Porsche. And real leather is kind of nice, but I won't say more comfortable. Did you mean $200 for a set of 4 tires? Or just one tire? Do you buy PS tires at a discount store or what?

one tire.....there are extremely expensive tires that have no performance gains.

[doug20]

Originally Posted by john curl

I have a degree in physics. Is that enough?

Thats great so you do not believe DBTs are worth much at all?

How would you go about controlling external influences then in any listening test?

[Key]

Originally Posted by john curl

DB listening tests are unfortunately found to obscure differences that pop right back, after the test is concluded. In other words, they appear to 'just hide' the listening differences, momentarily, and this is 'science'?

It is psychosomatic. The thing with me is I am not so concerned with what people *can* hear as much as what they *will* hear.

[vinylkid58]

Originally Posted by john curl

Well, I KNOW that tires make a difference on my Porsche. And real leather is kind of nice, but I won't say more comfortable. Did you mean $200 for a set of 4 tires? Or just one tire? Do you buy PS tires at a discount store or what?

$200 sounds kinda cheap for performance tires. I googled C6 Corvette tires and go a page where most of the tires were $300 and UP, on sale!

Jeff

[Andre Visser]

Originally Posted by doug20

They are test to help families decide which is healthiest for them. You do realize lots of people buy cereal for the nutrition they ACTUALLY provide, which is tested and scurtinized far beyond anything in Audio.

Do they come with an automatic feeding spoon?

Originally Posted by doug20

Anytime anything is scurtinized in audio, you get similar characters like yourselves calling everyone else "Deaf" or "having Untrained Ears". Its the same old trick and its too bad there isnt checks and balances in this industry.

Can't recall that I've called anybody deaf. Untrained ears..., well I'm still learning, it is very worthwhile if you are willing to put in the effort.

Originally Posted by doug20

Its actually sad that many pushing the same old "Just listen" wont go and measure and do the proper controlled tests themselves.

Unfortunately all that matter is what you can hear, no measurements will ever change that.

Originally Posted by doug20

I have done it all ways possible (just listening, proper testing, measuring as much as I can and learning) because Im honest to the hobby. I can only conclude that people here are not truely honest to the hobby.

Sure, you can only be honest if you can't hear any differences.

I've done more measuring and comparative listening than you would imagine, some blind also but apparently nothing will be good enough, not if you hear differences anyway.

[Pano]

Originally Posted by doug20

I did a test once with a 100K Mercedes and a 40K Acura. I was a blind folded passenger.....

Yeah but Doug, most folks by a car to drive, not ride in. You should try a driving test blindfolded.

Oh, um -- maybe not.....

[doug20]

Originally Posted by panomaniac

Yeah but Doug, most folks by a car to drive, not ride in. You should try a driving test blindfolded.

Oh, um -- maybe not.....

lmao, yeah.....maybe not