I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[Panicos K]

Originally Posted by janneman

Uhhh... Where did that 'hi-fi' stand for again?

jd

Isn't it through one that you listen to your music and decide if you like it or not?I was refering to your comment "...your only reference is what you like or you don't like..." Ok,audio system....if you prefer..............

[syn08]

Originally Posted by Panicos K

I wonder how those "crap" designs measured

Surprise, surprise - there are extremely sensitive methods to measure the digital 'crap' we are talking about here (that is, jitter) and here's a good white paper about: http://www.bertscope.com/Literature/...ye_Anatomy.pdf

All DACs I ever had a chance to evaluate had clearly measurable imperfections, which were one ot two order of magnitude over the setup (essentially an 8Gb/sec digital scope) quantisation errors. Where is the 'crap' barrier, I don't know.

How long since I read about copying CD's is altering the sound

[syn08]

Originally Posted by Panicos K

Isn't it through one that you listen to your music and decide if you like it or not?I was refering to your comment "...your only reference is what you like or you don't like..." Ok,audio system....if you prefer..............

And why should I care about what Jan, or you, or anybody else likes or not?

[janneman]

Originally Posted by Panicos K

Isn't it through one that you listen to your music and decide if you like it or not?I was refering to your comment "...your only reference is what you like or you don't like..." Ok,audio system....if you prefer..............

That was not the question that you dodged
I'll help you:

'hi-fi' stands for High Fidelity. Meaning that you reproduce the music as 'fidel' as possible, adding nothing, taking nothing away. That seems a pretty clear goal to me...

jd

[Panicos K]

Originally Posted by syn08

And why should I care about what Jan, or you, or anybody else likes or not?

No one asked you to care or not care about anything.Personally,I don't care if you care about what I like or don't like.

[Steve Eddy]

Originally Posted by GK

Unshielded, plain "twisted pairs" are substandard from just about any "interference radiation" perspective. And cotton braiding doesn't help either.

So, you think you would be able to distinguish a shielded cable from an unshielded cable under blind conditions?

se

[Panicos K]

Originally Posted by janneman

That was not the question that you dodged
I'll help you:

'hi-fi' stands for High Fidelity. Meaning that you reproduce the music as 'fidel' as possible, adding nothing, taking nothing away. That seems a pretty clear goal to me...

jd

So,is this the first time that you hear someone using the term "hi-fi" for audio equipment?
I wasn't trying to "dodge" anything.
I know what "hi-fi" means.What you described as "hi-fi",I would describe as "ultimate fidelity" though.

[planet10]

Originally Posted by doug20

since the digital cable simple sends bits...um that would be 1s and 0s. No way a cable alters 1s and 0s.....

Not so simple

I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

dave

[Andre Visser]

Originally Posted by syn08

That's a nice procedure
So:
- you use a crappy DAC, then swap digital cables, hear differences and decide "this cable is better/worse".

Which is equivalent to:
- you use a crappy power amp *, then swap speaker cables, hear differences and decide "this cable is better/worse".

* E.g. known as unstable in capacitive loads, or low damping, etc...

Wow syn08, you are so clever, especially in twisting what was said.

I've tried different digital (SPDIF) cables that an importer gave me to evaluate, I've tried them on a Sunfire TG4 and on one of Sony's top AV Processors of the time. In both instances I've heard the same differences.

After testing I've decided that I get better SQ from the DAC inside my CD player, so never bothered with it again.

[Andre Visser]

Originally Posted by janneman

I think it is important to know this. If you aware of these issues you may decide to spend, for instance, $ 1500 for a Benchmark Media DAC or $ 2500 for an Ayre DAC or any of a lot of competently designed DACs which are immune to jitter on the digital signal, instead of blindly spending the same or more on cables in the hope that the two errors cancel
jd

Right, I guess everybody can afford that. What would you suggest for an AV Processor and what would the cost of that be?