I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[Original Burnedfingers]

Do you suppose common sense cables will become the norm? And then maybe we could have tone controls again?

How dare you come out and post something like this!!!!

Common sense cables... Where is my damn nitro...I feel chest pains...

Tone controls... We don't need no damn tone controls.

[poobah]

Mornin' Joe...

[soongsc]

Originally posted by critofur

No. A CD player is FAR FAR more complex device than a simple cable. If you take a few feet of basic 12 guage copper speaker cable the signal going in one end will be 99.? % the same coming out the ohter end. How many 9s are in the .? % I wonder? 99.99% perhaps? Now, maybe most people wouldn't notice, or wouldn't care about the difference between a $99 and a $1,000 CD player but I'd bet you that even between two different $1,000 CD players the difference will be greater than any improvement of ANY speaker connector, regardless of price, over basic copper cable.

Well tested and proven fact: Listener bias is typically more significant than the actual difference between different cables ~ I.E. when there is a difference the significance will most likely be miniscule compared to other factors such as your speakers and your room.

If speaker cable difference can be heard though a pair of Bose 301, I would say the difference is significant. Man, is this the season of the rising dead.

[rdf]

"If speaker cable difference can be heard though a pair of Bose 301, I would say the difference is significant. "

It would be a miracle to tell male from female vocals through a pair of 301s.

[mrshow4u]

Wow, just wow. I've heard comments like "If you can't here a difference immediately after swapping cables, you should leave this hobby". Wow. I'm not saying there is no difference. I just can't hear it. How come many attack the blind listening test? "Oh it's proven to be biased". Wow. Any interest in making an unbiased listening test? It seems many insist that their hearing acuity is only accurate when they know which cables are plugged in. ...yet they close their eyes when performing their critical listening. It seems that the eyes aren't neccessary, just the knowledge of what product they're listening to. Does psychology not enter the equation?? I know that anything I build "sounds way better" than other stuff. The fact is, there's some psychology there. I've been to many listening tests and the the best observations are made after a little wine has flowed. Isn't the scientific endeavour the romantic part of what we do, or does myticism, incense, and nautilus shaped shells drive this hobby. If what we hear is beyond instrumentation, we could still develop proof through repeatable experimentation. I don't want to know what cable I could consistently identify, until after the experiment

[poobah]

mrshow4u,

I don't know how to break this you... but, you're not nuts. Are you sure you want to be here?

[mrshow4u]

Poobah, I don't mind being the heretic. Nothing new for me. I guess I'm looking for a fight.

...It's just a weird combination of engineering (amp, fire, arccing, heat) and superstition. I love the excitement of theories being realized, but part of the discipline of invention is careful qualification. This makes the progress all the more satisfying. I have lot's of protective gear for any ensuing food fights.

[TB]

Hello,
This is amazing how peaceful this thread is if we think about one of the most contoversial topics in the world of audio community.
I have a question about one type of interconnect cable where two wires are run independently like suggested for Gaincard by its maker. Did anyone try this and would like to share the opinion?

[poobah]

mrshow4u,

Let's unite forces then... and drive these whackos from our midst.

[mrshow4u]

sorry Poobah, you're minutes too late. I just rubbed ommelette over my interconnects and I must say, they sound eggy