I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[fredex]

Originally Posted by SY

OK, I'll comment. I saw something very similar once when doing some measurements with John Curl. We changed interconnects repeatedly and got very distinctly different and repeatable spectra (albeit at silly-low levels like -140-150dB). Unfortunately, the repeatable spectra we got were different (and ranked differently) than he had seen with the same test setup and the same interconnects a few days before.
What do you think that means?

I muse that what happens to measurements at very low levels is exactly mirrored by what happens to human hearing at low levels. They both reach a point of uncertainty. Maybe the discussion should be about which gets there first.

[Pano]

I think I know, but I'm just not certain....

[jleaman]

all this talk, and no one has shown some proof, or posted proof, just ALOT of talk!

[BudP]

It's just the primate social conditioning, sitting in a tree flinging whatever you can get in your hand, at whomever hooted last.

Bud

[boconnor]

Originally Posted by jleaman

all this talk, and no one has shown some proof, or posted proof, just ALOT of talk!

What proof do you want, about what specifically?

[fredex]

Originally Posted by panomaniac

I think I know, but I'm just not certain....

You are not alone...

[Andre Visser]

Originally Posted by boconnor

Speakers on the other hand……

Sure but using poor quality cable on good speakers may make them sound quite.... average.

[boconnor]

Originally Posted by Andre Visser

Sure but using poor quality cable on good speakers may make them sound quite.... average.

Here's a quick (non double blind) test to show that speakers are vastly more important than cables.

Take a $2 per metre cable, and a $100 per metre cable (btw, nowhere near how expensive cables can get). That's a ratio of 50 to 1 in price difference. Use both cables, sighted, and switch between them to your heart's content. Even those who profess to hear differences in cables would acknowledge that the differences are subtle, not dramatic.

Now, take the estimated retail cost of your speakers. Divide the price by 50 (the price ratio of the cables). Now get hold of a pair of speakers that would cost the reduced price. For example, say your existing speakers cost say $10,000 per pair (retail), so you need to find a pair of speakers that cost $200 per pair (retail).

Listen to the cheaper speakers. They would very likely sound absolutely lower quality than the higher cost speakers. The differences will not be subtle, but dramatic.

In upgrade dollars, cables will never do for your system what better designed and built speakers can do for your system.

[Panicos K]

Originally Posted by boconnor

In upgrade dollars, cables will never do for your system what better designed and built speakers can do for your system.

Correct.But if a $10000 speaker can sound better with a $500 cable,then you have to look very hard to find a $10500 speaker to better it

[Andrea:]

Speaker cables are far less important than signal cables anyway.