I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[Pan]

pxr, 10 meter, wow!

My speakercables are about 1-1.5 meter (with close to one meter internal wire ontop of that) and there´s no question as to the differences to me or anyone else that have listened.

/Peter

[slowmotion]

Originally posted by carlosfm


I trust my ears, and I find it unbelievable that you guys are still discussing if cables make difference?!

Well said. IMHO cables makes a difference, there's no doubt about it.

On the other hand I have a hard time understanding the silly prices
and the even more silly theories the so called high end cable companies
are pushing. And that people are actually buying them .

It might be that a lot of people have a negative feeling about the concept that
different cables sound different because of the silly prices and theories that the
"high end" companies are pushing.

That IMO should not prevent people from accepting the truth
( or let's be kind and say : the possibility )
that different cables might actually make a difference in sound.

To state that cables can't possibly sound different and that it is all in our heads
is exstremely close minded, I think.

It is interesting to watch this debate from the sidelines, so to speak,
but I have a hard time taking some of this seriously.

cheers, all

[pxr5]

just switched hifi off, went shopping, bought food and some wine, rushed around 'cause i like this debate. got back put hifi on, listen live radio 4. sound has changed, more than if i'd swapped cables.whats changed?
time, memory, blood pressure.(power on/off!)
all these things can happen when doing cable tests.

this can only be resolved with a big meet, and some serious betting on what we say.

[janneman]

Jan,

Leave the ol for a moment, OK ?

Seriously, assuming that indeed cables do sound differently, aren't you stark raving mad that many cable manufacturers are so incompetent that they cannot make cables that are transparent, regardless of the price, and are getting away with it big time?

Jan Didden

[carlosfm]

Originally posted by janneman
Really? Don't you find it amazing that many cable manufacturers are so incompetent that they cannot make cables that are transparent, regardsless of the price, and are getting away with it big time!

Jan Didden

Jan, Supra's goal when they developed the Ply series of cables was to make a very low inductance cable.
These are Supra's words.
I have Supra's catalog, and they don't mention the capacitance, which I'm sure on the Ply cables it's very high.
Cable capacitance has more inpact on sound than inductance, and that's why this cable gives such a weird results, depending where it is used.
But it never excels, it is easily beaten by much cheaper cable.

Ply cables are good filters.
Use them on bright sounding systems, they will turn them "smoother".
Of course this is not the right approach, as one has to attack the source of the problem.

EDIT:
Jan, get real.
The maket has everything, for all tastes.
Just because a product is commercialized, does it mean it has to be good?
Yes, Supra makes cables since the 70's.

[janneman]

Originally posted by carlosfm


Jan, Supra's goal when they developed the Ply series of cables was to make a very low inductance cable.
These are Supra's words.
I have Supra's catalog, and they don't mention the capacitance, which I'm sure on the Ply cables it's very high.
Cable capacitance has more inpact on sound than inductance, and that's why this cable gives such a weird results, depending where it is used.
But it never excels, it is easily beaten by much cheaper cable.
[snip]

... so we agree that it is an incompetently engineeering product, sold on marketing strength, perhaps? Assuming that it IS audible, which I still haven't seen proven. Remember the HiFi+ test? Hah!

Jan Didden

[janneman]

Originally posted by carlosfm
[snip]EDIT:
Jan, get real.
The maket has everything, for all tastes.
Just because a product is commercialized, does it mean it has to be good?
Yes, Supra makes cables since the 70's.

Fully agree with that Carlos. But I believe that the market supports all those different cables because someone is convincing someone else that this or that is better.

I DO believe that the experiences that you described above are your honest perceptions. I DONOT believe that you would have the same perceptions in properly controlled blind tests.

Why do I have this believe? Because until now all properly controlled blind tests I have seen/read support my believe.

Jan Didden

[carlosfm]

Originally posted by janneman
... so we agree that it is an incompetently engineeering product, sold on marketing strength, perhaps? Assuming that it IS audible, which I still haven't seen proven. Remember the HiFi+ test? Hah!

Jan Didden

It IS clearly audible.
But you don't believe my words, so it's useless...

[janneman]

Originally posted by carlosfm


It IS clearly audible.
But you don't believe my words, so it's useless...

I DO believe your words. See post 707

Jan Didden

[pxr5]

when working in the seedy business of making a living from audio kidology and unusual transaction occured.
we received a letter asking for the best hifi system we could supply.
our recommendation was pretty much based upon big profit but also with the idea that this stuff we'd sell should be good as well
anyway the customer ended up with kef speakers (107 or some refrence series £2000) yamaha cd player(!) sme v arm, a turntable (not linn, think pink triangle, was 15 yr ago),shure cartridge, amp either audiolab or yamaha not sure and cables at £100 a shot, and some others.
it wasn't my sale, and certainly the components left a lot to be desired. (i'd have had those kef r107 though).
customer sent letter thanking us greatly for giving such grest satisfaction.
about a year latter we noticed almost all of this equipement up for sale 2nd hand, at much reduced price. must have realised that better could be had.

no

the poor fella had kicked the bucket and it was his inherities flogging off what amounted to a dying mans last dream.

now

i ask you what would you do with all the money in the world?