I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[pxr5]

bit late with this reply,

to me music is artistic in its nature,

picasso, monet , motorhead etc

also paint manufacturer, pa designer, sound engineer and fun house mirror maker.

if i go to art gallery the interesting bit is all the artist distortions and impressions of hard physical reality.

however i fell the impressions are more easily and clearly understood if my glasses are clean and well adjusted.

how much fun would it be to plug straight into a deaf Bethofen head and compare his concept of the music to a state of the art sound reproduction at home.

good conections are important.

[pxr5]

oh forgot to say,

my pet opamps get upset by capacitance as low as 5pf

as for 22pf with ne5534 compensation, ooof

these interconnects cause loads of reactive problems. i've got one beauty with about 700 of these

[janneman]

Originally posted by pxr5
[snip]these interconnects cause loads of reactive problems. i've got one beauty with about 700 [pf] of these

Look at it from the bright side. At least you can claim that it *sounds* differently

Jan Didden

[carlosfm]

Originally posted by janneman
Indeed, because it illustrates the fact that people like you REFUSE TO THINK!

Carlos is right about his "filter" statement. What he and you don't get is that it is completely speculation, unfounded, to conclude that "because it is a filter, it is audible". As I said, hogwash.
Maybe you should try to get your own basic thinking in order before thrying to speculate how other people do it.

Jan Didden

Jan...
When testing amps, I sometimes change speaker cables because it's more practical.
The Kimber 4TC cables I have are passing behind the furniture.
I sometimes run Supra 2.5 (which I have for tests) by the floor direct to the Epos 11 speakers.
Everytime I do that some midband and treble detail goes away.
Even the bass has more dynamics on the Kimbers.

The worse pair of cables I tried (worse than cheap electrical cable), at a friend's home, was Supra Ply 3.4S.
These, when connected to a Rega Mira amp and Rega Ela speakers (in place of Kimber 4 TCs) made the sound so muted and clearly at a much lower volume that the effect was unbelievable.

I trust my ears, and I find it unbelievable that you guys are still discussing if cables make difference?!
Maby they make me drunk and it's all in my head?

Note: Supra 3.4S cables have good reviews by the press.

[Pan]

"I trust my ears, and I find it unbelievable that you guys are still discussing if cables make difference?! "

You can say that again... and again.. and a..

I have used supraply 2.0 and most solid core cables I have compared them to have been superior.

Solid core.. flat or round, with air or cotton, PTFE or whatever.. just give me solid core!

I have been thinking on which person is most insane...
the one who knows that there is clear differences in cables and trying to explain that fact to naysayers.. or..

the naysayer who is clueless and try to teach people who know better.. Guess I´ll drop out of these discussions soon before I loose it all, it´s just really silly this whole thing.

It´s like trying to explain kisses and hugs to a child who is discussed by the opposite sex. Finally after adolescens and when it has been experienced they know what they all were talking about earlier... in the meantime they just think adults are plain crazy..

/Peter

[pxr5]

i think a lot of differences in cables is to do with the connections
certainly all problems i've had are to do with bad phono plugs, din plugs and banana plugs/binding posts. bad channel balance/dulled treble, blown speakers, oscillating amps(psu earth).5mm outside diameter give more solid cable grip for signal and soldered/hardwire is so much better for heavy speaker connection. as for the actual electrical properties of cables, i can't notice much difference in 10m of cheapo plastic plug twin screen and diy supercable/foil screen etc 5inches long.certainly i've only measured -0.75db at 20000hz with long/capacitive cables and 20kohms source impedance.

[PaleRider]

Hmm, I`m only usin thick solid copper, nothing else does it. (-and i mean real thick; one set for each driver) Or; everything else ruins the signal. That includes massive powercords too

[janneman]

Originally posted by carlosfm


Jan...
When testing amps, I sometimes change speaker cables because it's more practical.
The Kimber 4TC cables I have are passing behind the furniture.
I sometimes run Supra 2.5 (which I have for tests) by the floor direct to the Epos 11 speakers.
Everytime I do that some midband and treble detail goes away.
Even the bass has more dynamics on the Kimbers.[snip]

Really? Don't you find it amazing that many cable manufacturers are so incompetent that they cannot make cables that are transparent, regardsless of the price, and are getting away with it big time!

Jan Didden

[pxr5]

pale rider,

you must play your music loud, or have a lot of dc.

[pxr5]

and,
how do you connect that stuff, tried solid core 15a mains cable once after reading in some hifi mag it was good and cheap.
convinced myself the sound became smoother, but i just couldn't live with it. kept snapping joints, no sound atall every other day