I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[rdf]

Apparently a crew that disapproves of a fern being referred to as an attractive plant of green colour with scent and texture instead of fixed-term biological oxygen generator in fractal form of determinate reflective spectra. In what staid, dead terms should sonic impressions be expressed? 7? X? That of which we cannot speak? Is this a global principle in life - descriptions of taste, people, art - or just applicable to descriptions of audio impressions?

cbdb, commercial broadcast production. The talent pools runs the gamut from an former heyday Motown mastering engineer with a bathroom papered in Cleo awards to grinders who refused to mix on anything but Horrortones, which I eventually removed for the damage it was causing our sound. Ironically, they used the Monotones instead of the JBL production monitors as the latter hurt their ears. One thing they all had in common was singular focus onproduct over the tools, to the degree that one (now at a top LA station) treated the studio as a magic mystery box with knobs that changed the sounds.

[SY]

rdf, we're not talking about music, we're talking about wire, for FSM's sake!

[Curly Woods]

Originally Posted by Panicos K

Use some more black backround.It will become clearer

I seriously doubt that more black will help anyone that choses to put all of their faith in piece of test equipment, rather than trusting the most powerful tool known to man, the human brain.

[cbdb]

RDF: OK advertising. Then wouldnt the "producers" be your clients at the ad agencies? In my experience in the studio "producer" usually means the people with the money. They have the final say. They get what they want or they go away. For us (TV and movies) its the show producer or the director, for music its the record label. If the "producer" wants to use the dialoge line thats distorted, or the music cue that sounds like crap, thats what we give him.(we may try to talk him out of it, but often they just think your questioning there authoritiy). I guess my point is that often in studios the engineers hands are tied by the producer, and so you cant always blame him for the quality, when content is more important.

Sorry for once more taking this off topic.

[Pano]

Originally Posted by rdf

...treated the studio as a magic mystery box with knobs that changed the sounds.

I've seen a lot of that in pro audio. Also in the fine art print world. Always surprises me what good results these folks get. Well, you don't have to know how to build or tune a piano to be a great musician....

[cbdb]

trusting the most powerful tool known to man, the human brain

Also the most finicky, pliable, generalized, non calibrated, largest tolerances, influenced tool. A good workman knows his tools limitations and safegaurds against going beyond them.

[cbdb]

we're talking about wire

We still need a vocabulary, to discuss "perceived" audio differences. I would be the first to agree there are way to many terms that dont make any sense (may as well start using "chocolatey") but we still need words.

[rdf]

Originally Posted by SY

rdf, we're not talking about music, we're talking about wire, for FSM's sake!

Spaghetti be thy name. We're talking about communicating one's impression of sonic perception, rooted in the spurious or not. Language must be capable of more than the gross simplifications of bright/dull or boomy/thin. How should the wide gaps between audio reproduction and the live event be described? Ascribing those impressions to genius or dementia is a whole 'nuther and higher level. Certainly other critical pastimes based in the senses employ an ornate and non-obvious vocabulary (cough cough ...oenophiles... cough cough).

cbdb, I'm not blaming you for the state of modern music production but raising the point that being behind the board all day doesn't defacto map over superior equipment expertise. Doesn't discount it either.

[Panicos K]

For hearing,listening and enjoying music,"nature" has chosen the ear/brain tools.Use them.

[cbdb]

being behind the board all day doesn't defacto map over superior equipment expertise.

Agreed, but how could it hurt?