I don't believe cables make a difference, any input? - Page 630

Curly Woods · 11th October 2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SY

Since we can't cure 100% of cancers, why cure any?

One thing is for sure- people can hear frequency response changes on the order of magnitude of 1 dB. So if two cables cause frequency response differences because of, ahhhh, unconventional engineering in the chain, EQing the system to remove that difference is far and away the most likely way to eliminate any audible differences. For sure, it takes the claim of audibility from plausible to imaginary horses. At that point, it's up to the imaginative to do the demonstrating.

I hear no imagination. Why do you feel that it is imagination for all that hear?

SY · 11th October 2009, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Curly Woods

I hear no imagination. Why do you feel that it is imagination for all that hear?

Why do you feel it's not? You haven't bothered to investigate that possibility.

Curly Woods · 11th October 2009, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SY

Why do you feel it's not? You haven't bothered to investigate that possibility.

I have no reason to question myself. It is you that are doing the questioning.

SY · 11th October 2009, 06:51 PM

You're making the extraordinary claim without a shred of backup other than, "Neeners, neeners, I can hear it!" So yes, your claim is eminently questionable.

Curly Woods · 11th October 2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SY

You're making the extraordinary claim without a shred of backup other than, "Neeners, neeners, I can hear it!" So yes, your claim is eminently questionable.

Well if it were "just me", then yes you would have a point, but given the number that do hear, who's imagination is that?

Curly Woods · 11th October 2009, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SY

You're making the extraordinary claim without a shred of backup other than, "Neeners, neeners, I can hear it!" So yes, your claim is eminently questionable.

What is extraordinary is that many continue to tell everyone that hears differences that they do not exist. I guess we all are in colusion

SY · 11th October 2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Curly Woods

Well if it were "just me", then yes you would have a point, but given the number that do hear, who's imagination is that?

So homeopathy, astrology, dowsing, "free energy," and clairvoyance work. 'Cause after all, lots of people believe them.

Curly Woods · 11th October 2009, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SY

So homeopathy, astrology, dowsing, "free energy," and clairvoyance work. 'Cause after all, lots of people believe them.

I have zero experience with any of those fields. I only know what my 30+ years of listening have taught me.

john curl · 11th October 2009, 07:06 PM

Both Curley and I can hear 'it' . It is important to me as an audio professional, not to exclude what is obvious to others, and me, in an audio environment, such as a hi fi show. We used $5000 sets of cables at the RMAF. We tried cheaper $1000 or so cables, but they were not as good sounding, but they looked just as impressive. Of course, we have to make a living at making our audio products to sound the best possible to a number of people who have never heard the audio system that we are presenting, and therefore are less 'forgiving' of its potential flaws.

Key · 11th October 2009, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by john curl

We used $5000 sets of cables at the RMAF. We tried cheaper $1000 or so cables, but they were not as good sounding, but they looked just as impressive. .

Did you test them to see why? What "it" are you guys hearing that wouldn't be measurable in terms of Frequency Response or maybe Phase?

11th October 2009, 06:51 PM	#6294
SY diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Chicagoland Blog Entries: 1	You're making the extraordinary claim without a shred of backup other than, "Neeners, neeners, I can hear it!" So yes, your claim is eminently questionable. __________________ If there's a sucker born every minute, where do the rest of them come from?

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11th October 2009, 07:06 PM	#6299
john curl diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: berkeley ca	Both Curley and I can hear 'it' . It is important to me as an audio professional, not to exclude what is obvious to others, and me, in an audio environment, such as a hi fi show. We used $5000 sets of cables at the RMAF. We tried cheaper $1000 or so cables, but they were not as good sounding, but they looked just as impressive. Of course, we have to make a living at making our audio products to sound the best possible to a number of people who have never heard the audio system that we are presenting, and therefore are less 'forgiving' of its potential flaws.