I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[pipp0r]

Almost everyone have a different opinion when it comes to cabels, some praise the expensive ones like Transparent XL, Nordost vallhalla etc.

But take this into consideration, if you are at a party drinking beer, you get drunk right ? If someone relabels all your beer so that it looks like regular beer but its actually beer without alcohol, you will stil get drunk! Now why is that ? Your expectations are to get drunk, and your body and mind will adapt to what it think its drinking.

In my opinion its the same thing with cabels, if you get a pair of 1000$ interconnects your expectations is that it will sound much bether then a 10$ cabel. And so it does, or atleast you will think it does. Just as you get drunk drinking beer without alcohol.

Just like the starter of this thread did with his coworkers at the audio store, they all thought they got the real beer, but got drunk on non alcohol beer instead.

[keyser]

you are absolutely right.
only the worst cables can if used over a long distance make an audible difference. almost any commercially available cable would do, as a loudspeaker wire. the only thing is to keep resistance low compared to the dc-resistance and impedance of the loudspeakers. just make sure it's reasonably sized.
interlinks are even more uncritical. even the ones that came with your cd-player "sound" as good as the so called high-end cables!

this subject has already been covered in a thousand other threads on this and other forums. you'll see that there are always people trying to convince the others they cán hear differences between cables, and most of the time they are actually right! they dó hear a difference. just like the getting drunk in your example.

[Pan]

You are absolutely wrong as cables do sound different. If you get drunk on beer or any drink without alcohol, then you have mental problems, please don´t mix that up with high resolution audio.

/Peter

[The_Hi_End]

cables DO sound different.
I've heard a difference between different kinds of cables.
currently I'm using some braided cat 5 as speakercable and the difference with the QED Original Bi-Wire Mk2 is significant.
If you're talking about prices, that's something different.
you can't get many cables that are cheaper than cat5, can you?

final conclusion: cables do sound different, but the sound doesn't improve equally with the price...

[pipp0r]

Originally posted by Pan
If you get drunk on beer or any drink without alcohol, then you have mental problems, please don´t mix that up with high resolution audio.

/Peter

I belive this comment speaks for itself interms of lack of knowledge.

The fact that you will get drunk if you're sure you're drinking alcohol, but in reality isnt. Is well documented and scientific proven.

[fdegrove]

Hi,

The fact that you will get drunk if you're sure you're drinking alcohol, but in reality isnt. Is well documented and scientific proven.

You won't fool this old horse though....

Cheers,

[Bas Horneman]

cables DO sound different.

Ofcourse they do. But I have no inclination to try to convince people that it is so.

Lets face it, we are all susceptible to placebo, it affects the way we hear, see and think, like it or lump it, that’s the way it is.

This is also true.

[Pan]

"I belive this comment speaks for itself interms of lack of knowledge. "

Moahahaa, I´ve been drinking alcohol for 23 years and I can assure you I do not get drunk if there are no alcohol in my glass. Hehe, this old wino has more knowledge than you´d like to hear of.

"The fact that you will get drunk if you're sure you're drinking alcohol, but in reality isnt. Is well documented and scientific proven."

Yes, many people have mental problems.

/Peter

[Dave Bullet]

I haven't read every posting so excuse me if I am blurting out cra* - I mean a new position .

Isn't this a simple case of:
- Cable spend should be proportional to overall system spend as a guide. Cables are a part of the system as a CD player is etc...
- Law of diminishing returns above a certain point
- Quality of the cabling and connectors on the components / speakers in question. I mean if they use 26AWG+ in your speakers, then taking 4AWG or an expensive 12AWG cable to them won't make a huge difference?

The same arguments above could be used on any audio component in the listening chain

PS: Completely unrelated - how do you measure phase and FR response of the average listener's ears?

Dave.

[Pan]

Dave,

price does not have much to do with it and also it does not matter if the AWG is small in the speaker. The VC has very tiny winding but still a 1 meter length outside the speaker makes a difference. It´s not only about the thickness of conductor, it´s about geometry, stranded vs. solid core, dielectric and such things.

/Peter