I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[planet10]

Originally Posted by SY

the only thing better than a short cable is no cable at all.

Well at least with no cable the noise floor would be really low -- no sound at all thou.

dave

[derwhalfisch]

599 pages boys, i think it's time to reach some conclusions

[Key]

Originally Posted by planet10

Well at least with no cable the noise floor would be really low -- no sound at all thou.

dave

Obviously you don't know about the wireless telsa-links ? I think what he is saying that at a certain point it probably doesn't matter much. I think the speaker cable in my active monitors are around 3 to 5cm at best. At that point I would hope that the cables effect should be negligible. Of course for people who are afraid of vibrations hitting an amp the psychoacoustic side effects may be too much I don't think I can hear vibrations hitting electronics myself - well unless they are mics, pickups, or cartridges.

[jlsem]

I did post some links and I have read as much as I can from true experts in the business. Including people who actually build amps.

You have to be careful of these so-called experts. They often review their own designs - see my sig. There are a couple of experts on this forum on whom the subjective camp are all over like a cheap suit. I've heard their offerings at RMAF and the sound can only be described as dull (I bet they measured real good, though). Even one of the links you cited had a room there that was embarrassingly bad. And guess what? The brainwashed dealers with no engineering background put together systems that sound wonderful - clear, clean, undistorted and very natural and lifelike. No, they didn't design the equipment, but they certainly know how to integrate it into a successful system. When I first got into this hobby I thought it was all physics and common sense and I needed nothing from these audiophile types. I couldn't have been more wrong. There is plenty to learn from objectivists and subjectivists both, so don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

John

[BudP]

Almost not off topic.

Anybody here willing to spend $500 for two speaker cables and two bare full range Fe127en drivers? This rig, with the drivers in cardboard boxes, will provide you with more information, more correctly, than anything short of a full on floor standing Genesis system, and it will even do better mids than that.

Wont go much below 80 Hz, with any authority, unless you splash for a real box with some resistive ports, and will not exhibit ANY of the audiophile beloved buzz words (slam, sizzle, bloom, etc.), but, you will find music, pure and bell clear, all the way to 90db down from the max signal level of 100 db possible. And all of this with no more than 20 watts of clean, well engineered power, from almost any class of amp you care to mate it with.

Money back guarantee on this. Of course, you will have to return the items, undamaged, and pay for the freight both ways. However, the likely hood that you will even want to is very very low.

Bud

[pmkap]

Originally Posted by cbdb

No, but when he asked why it sounds different,instead of telling him it was probably the different room (which it probably was) you said it was the cables. And even if it wasnt concious, you were trying to sell him cables. Thats what salesmen do.

Assuming the consequent.... an old salesman's trick.

[planet10]

Originally Posted by Key

I think the speaker cable in my active monitors are around 3 to 5cm at best.

The tinsel leads on the drivers will be at least that long. Have you actually pulled the monitors apart and measured the lead length? No matter how short, if you remove it, you won't get any sound out

I don't think I can hear vibrations hitting electronics myself

It does happen...

dave

[Key]

Originally Posted by planet10

The tinsel leads on the drivers will be at least that long. Have you actually pulled the monitors apart and measured the lead length? No matter how short, if you remove it, you won't get any sound out



It does happen...

dave

What does happen? And when does it happen? I am not so sure with active electronics with decent damping factor this should really come into play. And if it does well how bad is the effect? Is it so minuscule as to be swamped by much larger "problems" in the chain?

I might have been exaggerating with the length but I am sure there is some room to pull them apart - I have not dissected these yet but am planning on dissecting a cheaper brother when I get the time and money. I have seen a shot by shot dissection where the guy seemed to not like how "cheap" everything looked. they do sound great to me no matter how much fat they trimmed on these things.

[BudP]

I have listened to tin foil and polyprop caps resonate along with bass notes. They added a serious gargle to the mid range they were conducting.

Ended up with them isolated in their own box, because, once I had been sensitized to the gargle, I could hear it even when the cross over was moved out of the enclosure.

I doubt the 5 watt resistors were affected, but some poorly made hockey puck coils did come under suspicion and I replaced them with nonsaturable reactors, that had been vacuum varnished into obsidian like blocks.

Bud

[destroyer X]

There are some:

The best cable is no cable... as this is not possible, then use what you have at your hand.

If you love to imagine things.. a creative mind..then use magic cables

If you do not love to imagine things, not unobtanium addicted, them use simple cables or paralel wiring.

Let them believe..this is human...let them say...you can listen without bother yourself.

Cables has resistance, capacitance and inductance..nothing more.

regards,

Carlos