I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[Andre Visser]

Originally Posted by doug20

I have that, pretty funny stuff.

The Golden Ear club would have Andre Visser and Curly Woods.

I wonder if they can tune their car by ear too?

'Golden ears' doesn't exist, trained ears certainly do.

In the good old days I did sometimes tune my car by ear, it is quite easy if you know what to listen for.

[doug20]

Originally Posted by Andre Visser

Does it make a difference?

Yes, completely different topics and a completely different set of variables involved so it does make a difference.

Why is it flawed, I've clearly said that "only after you are satisfied with the measurements the real measuring can begin", meaning that you get your flat responses first with measurements but after that is done, the ears must agree. A flat freq response is important in quality audio but after that there are aspects that can only be 'measured' by ear, like detail, focus, ambience etc. This is what make a system sound believable.

I will agree with that and it doesnt conclude that cables or speaker wires make a system better.

[doug20]

Originally Posted by Andre Visser

'Golden ears' doesn't exist, trained ears certainly do.

In the good old days I did sometimes tune my car by ear, it is quite easy if you know what to listen for.

Well, there you have it its hard to argue with someone that can do that

[Curly Woods]

Originally Posted by brianco

And of course some people do not realize that un-sound-reinforced in performance music is the only reasonable
music for test purposes.

Without a doubt. We had season tickets to the Dallas Symphony for many years at the last audio store that i worked for and it was eye opening to say the least. Audio has miles to go before we can dream of capturing a live performance of an unamplified orchestra.

[destroyer X]

is a big suffering for them...some of us may bother them a lot because our ignorance.

good for us....not for them i think.... when i feel that is too much to my nerves i just abandon the thread.... they cannot do that, they have to stay taking care of us, having to read all things we post..interesting or not to them.

regards,

Carlos

[doug20]

Originally Posted by Curly Woods

No not at all, but maybe someone that is new to high end systems might be I guess.

So you are able to block out brand and price influences! Impressive.

In my and others views, A/B tests do not allow enough time to determine changes, that are subtle upon first hearing them. My testing in my system is carried out over weeks and weeks. I will never attempt to say that a quick A/B test determines anything. I see no point in it either as I want to listen to what any changes made, with a set of known recordings, that I am familiar with. Any snap decisions are rarely if ever accurate. That to me makes the most sense, rather than put pressure on someone to make choices based upon pass/fail conditions.

Its that cut and past response from the subjective crowd or what AB testing does not have to be fast switching at all and there is no pressure....do you guys crack under pressure? What do you do for a living to be so fragile?

The only important part is to hide the equipment so that brand and pricing does not influence the test but as you conviently posted above you can block those out of your experience.

I think I have enough about you no need to debate or reply to any of my posts.

[Curly Woods]

Originally Posted by destroyer X

is a big suffering for them...some of us may bother them a lot because our ignorance.

good for us....not for them i think.... when i feel that is too much to my nerves i just abandon the thread.... they cannot do that, they have to stay taking care of us, having to read all things we post..interesting or not to them.

regards,

Carlos

Carlos,

I am not trying to make you believe that I can hear what I hear. I am simply expressing my thoughts when asked if I feel that I can hear differences. If that means that I want to argue, I can not see the logic in that personally.

[Curly Woods]

Originally Posted by doug20

So you are able to block out brand and price influences! Impressive.



Its that cut and past response from the subjective crowd or what AB testing does not have to be fast switching at all and there is no pressure....do you guys crack under pressure? What do you do for a living to be so fragile?

The only important part is to hide the equipment so that brand and pricing does not influence the test but as you conviently posted above you can block those out of your experience.

I think I have enough about you no need to debate or reply to any of my posts.

Well that is good to know. I would hate to have to go over this again for 20 more pages. I hope that you enjoy what ever it is that you listen to Doug, as I will also.

[destroyer X]

have your confirmed that you can do that?

Sometimes we think in a such direction...but futher testing forced a change in our minds..happened with me several times.... 49 years building and comparing amplifier and more than 4.7K amplifiers made to listen, evaluate and compare made me realise we use to be fooled all the time...and that to be wrong is more usual than to be rigth.

All that time made me be sure i know nothing... finished with my arrogance and made me listen others,... searching for more know how.

If you did the test, and that confirmed your previous thougths..then i have nothing more to ask, and i will believe, without any doubts, that you are able..this is the only thing i believe..the ABX Blind testing, operated by other guy and you cannot know, or see, what is playing and when it is playing.

I am 58 Curly.. and i have a friend that believe in cables, also that an amplifier stand into the floor sounds better than submited to a vibrational environment (drunk eletrons maybe)..he believes that capacitor sounds...well...i control myself not to laugh...respecting the guy.... i do not agree but i love him a lot.. but also i think he is a little bit crazy.... i will not be astonished if someday he decide to dress himself different and say to me his is Napoleòn Bonapart ressurrected.

regards,

Carlos

[fdegrove]

Hi,

Originally Posted by Andre Visser

Does it make a difference?



Why is it flawed, I've clearly said that "only after you are satisfied with the measurements the real measuring can begin", meaning that you get your flat responses first with measurements but after that is done, the ears must agree. A flat freq response is important in quality audio but after that there are aspects that can only be 'measured' by ear, like detail, focus, ambience etc. This is what make a system sound believable.

Yes, it certainly does make a difference.

I thought it was clear for everyone it was speaker cables that are being discussed here.

Cheers,