I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[Curly Woods]

Originally Posted by doug20

You really thing there is 'unknowns' still about cables? I might be mistaken but I think they solved all the properties of an electrical current a LONG time ago.

btw, Is it me or does this thread jump back and forth from speaker wire to Interconnects? Are we discussion Interconnects alone?

From the title it looks like "cables". I did think that it was about interconnects, but now it looks like just cables.

[doug20]

Originally Posted by Andre Visser

Unfortunately the ears are all that matter in quality audio, no amount of measurements can tell you what a system will sound like, only after you are satisfied with the measurements the real measuring can begin.

This is a very flawed opinion.


For quality to matter you need to make sure your system has very low distortion and a very accurate response. Quality is not about a nice roll off on the response curve or something any one person likes to hear. Sound Quality is all about accuracy and low distortion.

Your ears can not pick up distortion levels below a certain dB but measurements can.

Your ears can not pick up that null at 150Hz because the speakers were too close to the wall but measurements can.

Your ears can not pick up that 3 dB peak at 2500Hz but measurements can.

You see anyone that believes their ears are the only tool they need to get in room sound quality is just a fooling themselves.

Yes, we need to enjoy our music and that is what our ears allow us to do BUT to get TRUE accuracy people need to learn how to setup an accurate system.

You ears are only as good as much as your brain lets them be if there are other overriding factors (the love for a specific brand) then your brain will care little about what the ears told it.

[doug20]

Originally Posted by Curly Woods

From the title it looks like "cables". I did think that it was about interconnects, but now it looks like just cables.

Must be a semantics thing, Cables to me have always been interconnections.

I never never hooked up my speakers to a cable (unless they are powered), I have always used speaker wire and called it just that....just wanted clarification.

Also the thread moves extremely fast...amazing considering the debates are circular and have lasted a long time. It just goes to show that the faith side will not move no matter what (just like religion) and the science side just scratches their heads wonder why.

The science side has no reason to want faith in audio. The faith side has no reason to want science in audio. Im with the science side myself and faith is never needed in audio but obviously science has made it possible for the faith side to have great sound...hmmmm. Kind of funny.

[derwhalfisch]

I see everybody ragging on Curly now because he disregards the idea of measurement leading to quality and prefers to rely on his ears to tell him what sounds right. 3dB peak at 2500Hz or nor, if he can't hear it doug20 then why does he need to engineer his system to fix it? Why can't he sit back in ignorant bliss and enjoy the music?

[destroyer X]

Something very old...biggest lies in audio.... attached in pdf.

regards,

Carlos

[doug20]

I have that, pretty funny stuff.

The Golden Ear club would have Andre Visser and Curly Woods.

I wonder if they can tune their car by ear too?

[Curly Woods]

Originally Posted by destroyer X

Something very old...biggest lies in audio.... attached in pdf.

regards,

Carlos

Destroyer, Peter Aczel is not one of my favorite authors, as I stated earlier. If you believe his view points, which thankfully very few do (as his circulation is extremely limited vs other audio based magazines). He extremely close minded, IMO, but he has his followers, no doubt.
If like what he preaches, I can not fault that. It is just not anything that jives with my personal experiences. Again no knock if you like his opinions, just not what i have found to be true for me in all cases.

[Curly Woods]

Originally Posted by doug20

I have that, pretty funny stuff.

The Golden Ear club would have Andre Visser and Curly Woods.

I wonder if they can tune their car by ear too?

More examples of what many of you term "Decorum" and friendly.

[Curly Woods]

Originally Posted by doug20

Must be a semantics thing, Cables to me have always been interconnections.

I never never hooked up my speakers to a cable (unless they are powered), I have always used speaker wire and called it just that....just wanted clarification.

Also the thread moves extremely fast...amazing considering the debates are circular and have lasted a long time. It just goes to show that the faith side will not move no matter what (just like religion) and the science side just scratches their heads wonder why.

The science side has no reason to want faith in audio. The faith side has no reason to want science in audio. Im with the science side myself and faith is never needed in audio but obviously science has made it possible for the faith side to have great sound...hmmmm. Kind of funny.

Doug those are your opinions and you are of course welcomed to them. All that your comments do is incite rebuttals and then the mudslinging starts. Why not just accept the fact that some do and some don't.

[doug20]

Originally Posted by Curly Woods

Destroyer, Peter Aczel is not one of my favorite authors, as I stated earlier. If you believe his view points, which thankfully very few do (as his circulation is extremely limited vs other audio based magazines). He extremely close minded, IMO, but he has his followers, no doubt.
If like what he preaches, I can not fault that. It is just not anything that jives with my personal experiences. Again no knock if you like his opinions, just not what i have found to be true for me in all cases.

You are impressive with your stance.

I have two questions.

Do you believe that brand name, price influences your listening experience?

Will you ever do a DBT?