I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[Panicos K]

Originally Posted by fdegrove

Hi,



When the cables are different (i.e. different values for R, C,or H) then it's quite normal to prefer one over another for whatever reason.

The issue here however is why anyone would hold a preference for one over the another when the cables are technically identical?

Cheers,

EDIT: Quote source is Panicas k, not Curly Woods.

I know what the issue is.I also remember someone who said that he can make measurably identical cable to one he won't know what is made of.
Since then we have not heard if he or anyone else has done anything.

[rdf]

Originally Posted by auplater

http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~boyk/spectra/spectra.htm

You smiley breaks the link.
Excellent graphs. BTW, an invaluable hint for playing with higher rez audio recorded by others is to always run it through a spectrum analyzer first. You'll be surprised how often audio at higher than Redbook sampling rates shows Redbook brick wall filtering.

[Magura]

Originally Posted by Panicos K

Now is 14-15 khz?Please stop there,or I will try to disconnect my speakers tweeters and see if I can hear a difference

At the age of 52, 14-15KHz is usually the limit. Prior to that I mentioned 16 as I thought Curly Woods was in his mid forties.

Read up on the topic, then we'll discuss this again.

Magura

[Magura]

Originally Posted by Curly Woods

I am open minded. I believe what I hear. If you can prove to me that I can not hear what I do, then I will listen to your arguments. I never close the door on anything that could improve my listening satisfaction.

It's been proven already, even several times.

But since you insist that the earth is flat, because you can't see it's round, there's no point in proving anything to you.

No matter what, you couldn't possibly admit to be wrong.


Magura

[fdegrove]

Hi,

Originally Posted by Panicos K

Comparing two cables by trying to hear their FR differences is one thing.To choose the one that helps you listen to the music is totally different.

Frank,this is your view of things too,that is the reason why I some times wonder how you can "congratulate" posters who's posts are based on a different view than yours Note:I'm not asking for your support on any of my views

The reason I congratulated the poster is simply because it's undeniably true.
Admitting to that does not imply I'd disagree with you.

Just like yourself I've spend a lot of time listening to differences in sound of all kinds of devices.
I also devised some protocol to make sure that what was heard was repeatable.
Note that I could probably have worked much faster if I'd have had proper measuring equipment at my disposal at the time.
Luckily a friend technician had.
So we measured whenever deemed necessary to see if we could find a corroboration with what we heard in the listening room.
As far as LS cables go, I can't say in all honnesty that I've ever heard something that couldn't be measured.

Rest assured, there are still an awful lot of things I hear that I wouldn't have a clue how to measure.
That doesn't mean it can't de done, though....

Cheers,

[fdegrove]

Hi,

Originally Posted by Magura

At the age of 52, 14-15KHz is usually the limit. Prior to that I mentioned 16 as I thought Curly Woods was in his mid forties.

Read up on the topic, then we'll discuss this again.

Magura

As it happens, I am your age as well.
Assuming my hearing ability has dropped to 15KHz I'm not happy when someone deliberately curtails the bandwidth to 15KHz.
I'll hear the difference straight away.

Maybe my brain works like a diff-amp?

Cheers,

[cbdb]

[QUOTE=Curly Woods;1933869]

Originally Posted by Magura

Acceptance is your friend :-)

The arrogance is laughable.

[Curly Woods]

[QUOTE=cbdb;1934288]

Originally Posted by Curly Woods

The arrogance is laughable.

If you suffer from it then you should recognize it!

[multisync]

As often as possible I listen to a radio science show on CBC called Quirks and Quarks. Today's show one of the topics was synesthesia. I immediately thought of the connection to how we perceive sound and "what difference cables" or any other component have to our listening experience. I couldn't put the link of the podcast here but you should be able to find it from here.

http://www.cbc.ca/quirks/

here is an intro to the radio show

Wednesday is Indigo Blue.

Imagine a world where you see numbers and letters, and even days of the week, in specific colours - every number 7 looks red; every time you see the letter A, it appears to be green; and Wednesdays feel indigo blue. Or a world where violins sound pale brown, while pianos sound bright yellow. Or a world where images evoke tastes, sounds have smells, and personalities have colours and shapes. Well, that world is real for thousands of people with a condition called synesthesia, where their senses overlap and combine in strange ways. We'll speak to a neuroscientist who is studying the brains of these unique individuals.

It appears that more than 5% of the human population is effected to some degree. Not only do we hear sound we can feel it, not the vibration but the actual sound, see sound, smell sound taste sound.

That last mod I made smells like roast beef with all the trimmings. No wonder I think it sounds better. The mod before smelt like liver and brussel sprouts, not my favorite.

here is a wiki link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia

[Curly Woods]

Originally Posted by Magura

It's been proven already, even several times.

But since you insist that the earth is flat, because you can't see it's round, there's no point in proving anything to you.

No matter what, you couldn't possibly admit to be wrong.


Magura

And you continue to try to change my mind based upon your understanding of what? Let it go.