I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[Panicos K]

Originally Posted by Magura

I find it to be looking for extremes, when you know you can't hear anything above like 14-15KHz, and persist to be able to audition cables, which happens to only influence 17KHz+, and that 17KHz being a worst case scenario.

Maybe so, but for sure nothing that happens at 20KHz, has any influence on anything you can hear, and that's where the biggest chance is to find a cable that makes any significant difference.


Magura

Now is 14-15 khz?Please stop there,or I will try to disconnect my speakers tweeters and see if I can hear a difference

[Curly Woods]

Originally Posted by destroyer X

The big trouble is that "believers of faith" do not even do those testings....well..they must be submited to testings..... they gonna be evaluated..the listener will be evaluated...while one special cable and common thin telephone wire (for instance) will be switched from A to B.

It is a pity that they do not make those testing to avoid loose their faith.

This is the real pity..not the pity we cannot listen...we cannot listen because there's no difference..just that.

This is the only and main argument they have...that "we just cannot listen"... ahahahaha.

regards,

Carlos

Why do you condemn what you do not understand? I appreciate all that science has done for mankind, but I will never blindly accept it as gospel either.

[Key]

Originally Posted by Curly Woods

In your mind? It is your choice. I doubt that what ever reason you can produce will influence what I know as fact to be, but take your best shot :-)

No on my supercomputer which I am looking at and which is very cheap to purchase at an average everyday retail outlet. And yeah I can agree on that I doubt you will be open minded to the idea of being wrong about anything.

[destroyer X]

that has special ears, golden ears, best brain, special skills, more focused perception, more sensitive auditive system...in other world.... extra terrestrian, astronaut or God!

In the other side people that has their feet into the ground and do not dream or delirate too much.

Cable to speaker does not make difference.... they have resistance, inductance and capacitance..and none of those factors, in 12 feet of cable will result in something to worry about... output zobel has much more capacitance than that.... speaker crossover much more resistance than that.... power amplifier output coils has some inductance too... and amplifiers works with all that stuff.

Cables to line out level, well, those can be broken, shorted or defective.... if broken, shorted or defective may not sound fine..others, golden, stripped, coloured are just unobtanium filled with inexistium with some spice of "donothing"

I love when those guys that believe they are special when they pay hundred times more for a cable...they deserve that..for sure they deserve to be fooled.

They do not submit themselves to an controled A to B blind testing not to be ashamed..everybody will know they were living an illusion and that they have paid a lot for nothing.

regards,

Carlos

[Curly Woods]

Originally Posted by Key

No on my supercomputer which I am looking at and which is very cheap to purchase at an average everyday retail outlet. And yeah I can agree on that I doubt you will be open minded to the idea of being wrong about anything.

I am open minded. I believe what I hear. If you can prove to me that I can not hear what I do, then I will listen to your arguments. I never close the door on anything that could improve my listening satisfaction.

[Curly Woods]

Originally Posted by destroyer X

that has special ears, golden ears, best brain, special skills, more focused perception, more sensitive auditive system...in other world.... extra terrestrian, astronaut or God!

In the other side people that has their feet into the ground and do not dream or delirate too much.

Cable to speaker does not make difference.... they have resistance, inductance and capacitance..and none of those factors, in 12 feet of cable will result in something to worry about... output zobel has much more capacitance than that.... speaker crossover much more resistance than that.... power amplifier output coils has some inductance too... and amplifiers works with all that stuff.

Cables to line out level, well, those can be broken, shorted or defective.... if broken, shorted or defective may not sound fine..others, golden, stripped, coloured are just unobtanium filled with inexistium with some spice of "donothing"

I love when those guys that believe they are special when they pay hundred times more for a cable...they deserve that..for sure they deserve to be fooled.

They do not submit themselves to an controled A to B blind testing not to be ashamed..everybody will know they were living an illusion and that they have paid a lot for nothing.

regards,

Carlos

Your opinions and you are entitled to them. They do not change what I hear or others. I have learned to listen by being exposed to many, many different high end audio products over the years. I have learned what makes music enjoyable to me and great many customers. I have never strong armed a customer with sales pitches. We simply set up the system, allow them to listen to their own music, and they do the rest. If they liked what they hear, they purchased. If not they go elsewhere. I do not know how any intelligent person can "brainwash" another human, without being held captive and forcing them to be indoctrinated against their will. Are you easily brainwashed?

[Key]

Originally Posted by Curly Woods

I am open minded. I believe what I hear.

Now is that open minded? I can think of a more accurate word. I guess I am talking about being open minded to the idea that you are fallible and your hearing is as well just like everyone else on this planet with a brain.

[Panicos K]

Originally Posted by destroyer X

that has special ears, golden ears, best brain, special skills, more focused perception, more sensitive auditive system...in other world.... extra terrestrian, astronaut or God!


Carlos

Special and golden ears are the ears that hear all that is there.Best brains are those that do not deceive........and more................

Have you by any chance mixed-up the camps?

[Curly Woods]

Originally Posted by Key

Now is that open minded? I can think of a more accurate word. I guess I am talking about being open minded to the idea that you are fallible and your hearing is as well just like everyone else on this planet with a brain.

I never said that I was gifted in any manner. I simply know what I am listening to and what I like to hear. Experience with all forms of high end audio equipment for over 20 years has allowed me gain this knowledge. Do you believe everything that you hear? What if someday the science that you base your life on is proven to be wrong. What would you do then?

[Key]

Originally Posted by Curly Woods

I never said that I was gifted in any manner. I simply know what I am listening to and what I like to hear. Experience with all forms of high end audio equipment for over 20 years has allowed me gain this knowledge.

Allow me to cast some doubt on your experience. Being accustomed Hi-Fi for the most part makes you a tainted subject in regards to judging realism from my perspective - you are acclimated to human abstractions. I feel I might be a better judge because of my near 20 years playing acoustic instruments. Who is right?