I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[janneman]

Originally posted by fdegrove
Hi,

Just ask yourself why your system doesn't sound like the exact same thing a live event does?

The exact replication of time and space is what makes music . An experience that occasionally touches the heart, moves our senses.
[snip]

You're mixing things up Frank.The difference between live and reproduced music is hugely more than time and space. Even if you get time and space perfectly reproduced, it's still a far cry from live.

jd

[janneman]

Originally posted by fdegrove
Hi,
Hearing happens between the ears.

Can't fault that one.

It also means it requires a set of social circumstances for the brain to function without external stress, right?

Maybe there are no differences in cables after all, it's just the set of social circumstances that makes them believe there are any, right?

Cleverly bright or brightly clever?

Cheers,

Hi Frank,

Did you realize that you quoted and replied to my posts twice? And I thought it was boring .... !

jd

[janneman]

Originally posted by Key
Well I am sure they listened and measured. But still Peter Walker I think was on the record saying cables have no distinct sound unless they are futzed with or broken and I think he was also in the camp that believed amps are not imperative or vastly different if only people used them correctly.

Reallly the best speakers I've heard usually come from the objectivist side of things.

Peter Walker is also on record saying that he didn't as a rule listen to his designs as part of the design proces. He once remarked that the first time he heard one of his designs was when they gave him an early production model.

jd

[SY]

I doubt he went as far as cables.

And yet again, you would be incorrect.

[Pano]

"an equal mix of Ohm's Law and common sense"

(P.W.)

[Andre Visser]

Originally posted by fredex
I am prepared to believe that some can hear things that others can't because their hearing is better, or trained. But on cables (correct me if I am wrong) there is no consensus on what a particular cable does to the sound. If a cable can influence soundstage, some will make it better and others worse, where is the subjectivist's bible on this?

Sorry, my experience differ, I've said earlier I like to give a friend something to test and then compare his comments with what I've heard, I can't remember once that we disagreed.

Surely there may be different opinions on the same cable, the preferred cable will be system dependant. I used to think silver cables sound bright, I later realised it showed a problem in my system, now my favourite cable by far is silver.

[Andre Visser]

Originally posted by SY
Quad ESL57s and the Quad tube amps
Snell A
Linkwitz's various dipoles
Drew Daniels's horn monster
Marantz 9s
Anything by Western Electric
RCA

All "science is everything" guys

The Quad speakers and tube amps may explain why you are happy with lawnmower cable.

According to me, Linkwitz care a lot about what his speakers sound like.

I would say Marantz equipment are very much driven by their sound.

The rest I don't know.

Originally posted by fredex
I have to come clean and admit my present amps are Class D. But they are built using "good engineering, well applied."

That explains a lot.

[fredex]

Originally posted by janneman


Peter Walker is also on record saying that he didn't as a rule listen to his designs as part of the design proces. He once remarked that the first time he heard one of his designs was when they gave him an early production model.jd

I seem to remember Peter Baxandall saying a similar thing in a letter to some rabid subjectivist in a Wireless World issue. I remember being quite shocked at this, as at that time I was myself a rabid subjectivist. Yes I was a little like someone who feels that science has missed the boat, and instead of listening, is obsessed with measurements that mean nothing.

Now I can put it down to the folly of youth, but to be perfectly honest, sometimes I secretly think that the subjectivists are actually having a lot more fun. I mean they have no rules, it seems, to bind them. They have total freedom from all those rigid laws of physics that bind the rest of us poor souls. Oh to be free again . . . . . now where are those magic pebbles?

[fredex]

Originally posted by Andre Visser
...........That explains a lot.

Are you just being a little playful, or really stupid? Without knowing what cables I use you know nothing.

[fredex]

Originally posted by janneman

.......... And I thought it was boring .... !
jd

Nice twist, made me smile.