I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[fdegrove]

Hi,

Originally posted by janneman


Hearing happens *between* the ears.



Yeah. And everybody carefully hides it

jd

Hearing happens between the ears.

Can't fault that one.

It also means it requires a set of social circumstances for the brain to function without external stress, right?

Maybe there are no differences in cables after all, it's just the set of social circumstances that makes them believe there are any, right?

Cleverly bright or brightly clever?

Cheers,

[fredex]

Maybe the act of touching cables changes them.

[fredex]

Originally posted by fdegrove
Hi,



Just ask yourself why your system doesn't sound like the exact same thing a live event does?

The exact replication of time and space is what makes music . An experience that occasionally touches the heart, moves our senses.

If a replica is played over our hi-fi system and does not get that message across, something's wrong with it, right?

I'd love to hear a system built by a science is everything guy. I can't help but wondering what "scientific" would sound like.

Thirty years ago we all heard the same thing from the same brigade: capacitors can't make any difference, same for resistors, wires and so on.

Seems progress is held back by self-proclaimed scientist or so it seems?

Enjoy life, it's short enough as it is

I say all rubbish, except for the last sentence Watching the high end for years one thing they do is go straight to science for hi-tech components, and to validate their claims, graphs and all. Don't fool yourself you are listening to a "scientific" system right now.

On your second point, I have had an experience that touched my heart and moved my senses, listening to an AM radio in my car, I had to pull over. So normal caps res and wires don't seem to "make a difference".

[BudP]

On your second point, I have had an experience that touched my heart and moved my senses, listening to an AM radio in my car, I had to pull over. So normal caps res and wires don't seem to "make a difference".

One on americas better reviewers of live classical music is perfectly satisfied with a table radio in his kitchen.

Sy, you neglected to mention Bose....

Bud

[scott wurcer]

Originally posted by fredex



On your second point, I have had an experience that touched my heart and moved my senses, listening to an AM radio in my car, I had to pull over. So normal caps res and wires don't seem to "make a difference".

Me too someone played "John Hardy" off of a 78 and I pulled over just to listen, actually incredible made my day.

[SY]

And what's the meaning of this?

You asked what a system designed by "science is everything" guys would sound like. Since you're a bit distant from Texas, I thought I'd mention some that you probably HAVE heard.

[fredex]

I have Quad IIs and yes it is interesting how many older tube amps that are highly prized by discerning audiophiles were all built prior to the subjectivist era.

With only simple measurements to guide them how could those engineers make an amp capable of transporting an audiophile to the very gates (Quads take you straight inside) of audio heaven?

[Brett]

Originally posted by fredex
I have Quad IIs and yes it is interesting how many older tube amps that are highly prized by discerning audiophiles were all built prior to the subjectivist era.

With only simple measurements to guide them how could those engineers make an amp capable of transporting an audiophile to the very gates (Quads take you straight inside) of audio heaven?

To answer the last question, good engineering, well applied.

I haven't had QUAD II's for over 20 years, but I'm still kicking myself far passing up a HK Citation II a few years back for peanuts in VGC.

[fredex]

Brett, yeah, good engineering, well applied.

On those Quad IIs, I have to come clean and admit my present amps are Class D. But they are built using "good engineering, well applied."

[rdf]

Originally posted by SY


For me, certainly. But for the folks who claim to be able to sweep aside all of their biases, conscious and unconscious....

It's still worth noting the relationship is asymmetrical. As far as I can see a truly blind audience cheering a subject to statistically valid results wouldn't invalidate them. A tester the subject knows expects failure does taint the results. That's why for me, of the trials I've seen, the null results mean as little from a scientific perspective as do magazine reviews.

fredex, how do you know the Quad engineers didn't use listening in the design process? I also find it curious you and Brett find it such a performer when a chip amp trashes it in most any scientifically valid performance metric.