I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[SY]

It is a restriction to you.A friend wine tester does not seem to agree with you."That's very often the case?"It seems to me that this comment of yours will turn something like "30 years of null............"case.

I missed the "wondering" part. Still do. But then, my non-existent Greek is admittedly infinitely inferior to your very competent English.

[wazzy]

i see a lot of hype about pure silver conductors, ie interconnects and speaker cables what gives? in what wa is it 'better' than copper? surely the most important connections are the ones in the line level? i found cheap interconnects here make a difference in sound, usualy loss of detail, if i use good interconnects there seems to be 'more' music. just my little observation.

[Panicos K]

SY,

I'm trying my best with my English Not complaining about your Greek either.
Here's a little funny incident.Many years ago I was at a hifi show in Paris.It was the time when Focal had released their Grand Utopia speaker.At that time a Greek magazine had published a review of the Grande Utopia.An English spoken friend,had a copy of that review,and came to me and said"excuse me could you please tell me what it says here?It looks like Greek to me".He gave me the review copy,I have read a few lines,and told him"You are right,it looks like Greek to me too".For a moment he was confused,but then I told him I was joking,and just explained to him what was in the review.If you have any problems with your Greek,ask me.I'm good at it

[zigzagflux]

What little I know of Koine, it's a wonderful language. Extremely expressive; one is able to say so much in one word that takes 3 adjectives in English.

Wish I knew more; the grammar isn't easy to follow.

[analog_sa]

Originally posted by wazzy
in what wa is it 'better' than copper?

Technically, by insignificantly higher conductivity. Not that it would matter at line levels and below. It is also difficult to make any generalisations about "silver" sound such as "bright" or "thin" as good silver wire is neither. For some reasons silver reveals slightly more inner detail but lacks ultimate mid-bass punch. My first intoduction to silver was lacklustre but eventually i found silver wire i really like.

In the days of my youth Kadoma was a great place to pass a driving test; still popular with out-of-towners?

[jlsem]

Not really. Fourier's theorem applies to all signals- music is not an exception.

Yes, but the phase lags at a continuously increasing angle at continuously varying skin depth with continuously varying frequency. Current density (i.e. signal level) also varies continuously at continuously varying skin depth with continuously varying frequency. Not to mention wave propagation velocity varying continuously with continuously varying frequency.

Add to that calculating actual permeability of the conductor including impurities such as iron and nickel.

John

[SY]

That reduces to an inductive term- skin depth is not a function of voltage for normal conductors, it's simple inversely proportional to the conductivity and frequency.

Scale question again: What's that inductance and what's the phase shift at 1kHz and 20kHz from some Home Depot 12 gauge?

[jlsem]

Scale question again: What's that inductance and what's the phase shift at 1kHz and 20kHz from some Home Depot 12 gauge?

Skin depth at 5000Hz (the upper limit of the region where the ear is its most sensitive) is ~.037" which is almost to the center of the Home Depot extension cord. With the iron impurities probably much higher in hardware store copper wire, mu increases so the skin depth is probably even less. Obviously it's debatable whether or not the much attenuated lagging plane wave is audible or not.

John

[SY]

Third try: what is the inductance and what is phase shift at 1kHz and 20kHz of a 12 gauge Home Depot cable?

(gratuitous hint to simplifiy things: there's not a dime's worth of conductivity difference between the cheap wire used there and six nines copper, else the skin effect is LESS with the cheap wire, as you say)

[Salas]

OK, cables make a big difference when we sit in our living room listening for long periods, and make no difference when we examine the issue scientifically from any POV. Our brain or not, for many of us, its the sense of final comfort that counts, the way we normally enjoy auditions. We are emotional animals and in the end we will do whatever picks our fancy in our leisure time in a hobby. What is the fuss? Since we are a DIY community, I propose we just make our own like Bud does, have fun if we are inclined so, and don't pay big bucks for ready made. Because the materials cost is NOT worth buying retail Hi-End cable even if its silver and gold. Me I find more joy in tampering with circuits, it can alter the experience and learn something concrete too. I find that is a more creative tampering.