I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[janneman]

Originally posted by tinitus
[snip]Only, somehow you remind me of the religious people who "forced" Darwin to keep his findings a secret all his life

You're doing it again. What or whom do I try or force to keep a secret?

Edit: I see you answered SY, not me. So:
You're doing it again. What or whom does SY try or force to keep a secret?

jd

[tinitus]

Originally posted by janneman


Edit: I'm really disappointed that you feel it necessary to give this kind of responses to a serious post. Why do you ridicule it rather than say whether you disagree and why?

jd

I dont like neither, but seems to be the dominating style here
You dont like it, neither do I

Anecdotal?
A very fine word from the literature

Ridiculously?
It is just that, to demand from us common DIYers to deliver scientific proof for every single experience

[Pano]

For those of you who get confused by BudP's long and wooly prose, you aren't alone. I talk with Bud quite often and he always leaves me confused, but curious. Bud's just like that. He does "think different."

But here's the cool thing. Bud gets results, and he has a great set of "ears." Meaning he hears things I don't - until he points them out to me. Then I can't help but hear them. Nor can others. (kinda like the new faux slate tile my wife put on the porch. Looked quite random to me - until she pointed out there are only 4 different tiles. Now I can't help but see it!)

I bought a number of coupling transformers and blind tested them in my circuit. Bud's transformers always won. I don't know how he does what he does - but he does seem to know what he's doing. (They do measure differently)

I don't think you'll ever get the type of "rigorous scientific" evidence you want out of Bud, he just isn't like that. Personally, I just take it for what it is and enjoy the fruits of his work and knowledge.

But I'd still love to see a well controlled ABX cable test. One that does show a listener can tell the difference between cables wit the same LCR values. If it shows he can’t, well… around we go again!

[tinitus]

Originally posted by panomaniac


Meaning he hears things I don't - until he points them out to me. Then I can't help but hear them. Nor can others.

DBTs sort of went down the drain there

[janneman]

Originally posted by tinitus
[snip]It is just that, to demand from us common DIYers to deliver scientific proof for every single experience

I agree, that doesn't look fair. But, I think that the reason that it is asked is because those experiences are presented as hard fact, sometimes even as overthrowing current knowledge.

Its a dilemma I guess. If you present your experience saying, hey, it's just my experience, it's not that interesting. If you present your experience as hey, I just discovered that turning my cable around causes the sound to expand, you can bet your sweet hind that there's a lot of interest, but probably not the kind you want .

jd

[SY]

Originally posted by tinitus



DBTs sort of went down the drain there

Why? If he can now hear them (as opposed to Clever Hans), blind listening won't affect that.

[fdegrove]

Hi,

Originally posted by panomaniac
For those of you who get confused by BudP's long and wooly prose, you aren't alone. I talk with Bud quite often and he always leaves me confused, but curious. Bud's just like that. He does "think different."

But here's the cool thing. Bud gets results, and he has a great set of "ears." Meaning he hears things I don't - until he points them out to me. Then I can't help but hear them. Nor can others. (kinda like the new faux slate tile my wife put on the porch. Looked quite random to me - until she pointed out there are only 4 different tiles. Now I can't help but see it!)

I bought a number of coupling transformers and blind tested them in my circuit. Bud's transformers always won. I don't know how he does what he does - but he does seem to know what he's doing. (They do measure differently)

I don't think you'll ever get the type of "rigorous scientific" evidence you want out of Bud, he just isn't like that. Personally, I just take it for what it is and enjoy the fruits of his work and knowledge.

But I'd still love to see a well controlled ABX cable test. One that does show a listener can tell the difference between cables wit the same LCR values. If it shows he can’t, well… around we go again!

I for one am not confused by what he wrote.
It's actually pretty close to what dr. Hawksford explains in his article for Stereophile Janneman posted earlier on.

While I don't agree with everything that's written in the article, it does make sense to me.
Unfortunately, just like the vast majority of theis forum's members, I'm neither equipped to prove either way nor do I have the knowledge to figure out how to go about it scientifically.

One thing that has me intrigued is the role of the dielectricum, more precisely the permittivity of it and how it relates to the transmission of the signal.

Cheers,

[janneman]

Originally posted by fdegrove
Hi,
I for one am not confused by what he wrote.
It's actually pretty close to what dr. Hawksford explains in his article for Stereophile Janneman posted earlier on.

While I don't agree with everything that's written in the article, it does make sense to me.
Unfortunately, just like the vast majority of theis forum's members, I'm neither equipped to prove either way nor do I have the knowledge to figure out how to go about it scientifically.

One thing that has me intrigued is the role of the dielectricum, more precisely the permittivity of it and how it relates to the transmission of the signal.

Cheers,

Well the thing that surprised me bigtime is the notion that if you had a perfect, zero-resistance material, the current would all be in the skin! The radial field inside the conductor pushes the moving charge outward to the boundary, and since it is zero resistance (in the perfect case), skin depth becomes very small (don't know, maybe one electron deep?).

Skin depth is non-zero just because of the 'normal' resistivity. That resistivity along the conductor causes a potential across a length of conductor giving rise to a field all by itself.

jd

[SY]

Jan, in reality, you'd have to delve into quantum mechanics to get an accurate picture of charge propagation in superconductors- "skin effect" is only a gross model and largely inapplicable outside of classical E&M.

None of this, of course, has any relevance to hooking up your speakers.

[scott wurcer]

Originally posted by panomaniac

But I'd still love to see a well controlled ABX cable test. One that does show a listener can tell the difference between cables wit the same LCR values. If it shows he can’t, well… around we go again!

Let me restate my belief/thesis/challenge whatever you want to call it. A small team of those skilled in the art could build a cable (presumably from off the shelf ordinary matierials) to match an arbitrary second cable to the point that there is no stated preference for either cable in a DBT. The process could involve several trials to arrive at a final result.

I prefer this over the L,R, & C matching stuff. Exotic enough Litz construction could make this difficult. The failure of a single open ended trial like this would just fuel more controversy which maybe everyone wants anyway.