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Old 29th July 2009, 03:20 PM   #4681
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Well, I know that Darwin waited some 20-30 years to publish his theories and findings about natures selectivity
And even then got into serious trouble

No, its probably not your intention "to set the rules"
But the way you respond to people is slightly personal and aggressive

Surely these creative people dont like to share anymore of their maybe potentionally "valuable" experiences

If we quit this debate as of now, Im sure you wouldnt pursue any of this any further, as you dont seem to be interested in cables
The creative minds are needed to inspire us
Without inspiration we wont get anywhere

 
Old 29th July 2009, 03:21 PM   #4682
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It is unfortunate that due to professional etiquette some of the criticism of his reasoning has remained unpublished. I only have it on someone else's word that there are major flaws in his math and/or interpretation of the results. This is from someone whose expertise is in EM theory.
Yes that is a pity, I should be good for some more discussions. Anyway, that whole paper is sort of un-Hawksford-wise, as if it was an experiment (for him) to see how this stuff would be received in non-engineering circles. He only did a few of these.

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Old 29th July 2009, 03:21 PM   #4683
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Darwin actually had evidence.
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Old 29th July 2009, 03:24 PM   #4684
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Well, I know that Darwin waited some 20-30 years to publish his theories and findings about natures selectivity
And even then got into serious trouble

No, its probably not your intention "to set the rules"
But the way you respond to people is slightly personal and aggressive

Surely these creative people dont like to share anymore of their maybe potentionally "valuable" experiences

If we quit this debate as of now, Im sure you wouldnt pursue any of this any further

I think you lost the plot. Comparing any of these anecdotal stories with Darwin and evolutionay theory is ridiculous. It really looks as if you don't understand at all what it is to develop a theory and test it, repeat it, describe it and let others check it in order to put it on firm footing. Everything else is anecdotal stories.

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Old 29th July 2009, 03:29 PM   #4685
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I think you lost the plot. Comparing any of these anecdotal stories with Darwin and evolutionay theory is ridiculous. It really looks as if you don't understand at all what it is to develop a theory and test it, repeat it, describe it and let other's check it in order to put it on firm footing.

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Actually, Darwin is apropos, though I fear for the opposite reason of what was intended. He took a very long time to publish because he well understood that his theory would be controversial, so it was important that the evidence be extensive and scrupulously laid out.

Being an honest person, he was also quite explicit about what he felt were possible holes and shortcomings in his theory (e.g., the evolution of the eye). With later discoveries, these potential objections were swept away and, despite the controversial nature of the theory, it was completely accepted by all serious scientists.

Evidence rather than bald assertion and anecdote. What a nutty concept!
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Old 29th July 2009, 03:34 PM   #4686
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Darwin actually had evidence.
Not really
Not scientific bullet proof evidence
 
Old 29th July 2009, 03:37 PM   #4687
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Not really
Not scientific bullet proof evidence
The evidence is actually still out there, alive and kicking.

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Old 29th July 2009, 03:41 PM   #4688
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Not really
Not scientific bullet proof evidence
Yes, really. Evidence that stood up to deep debate and question.
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Old 29th July 2009, 03:42 PM   #4689
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The evidence is actually still out there, alive and kicking.

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Old 29th July 2009, 03:44 PM   #4690
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Actually, Darwin is apropos, though I fear for the opposite reason of what was intended

Well, Darwin was a creative thinker
Yes he used all his life to find evidence
And there is no comparison at all
And I probably shouldnt have mentioned

Only, somehow you remind me of the religious people who "forced" Darwin to keep his findings a secret all his life
 

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