I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[lineup]

Originally posted by ShinOBIWAN

My old uncle Terry Deluckwit, swears by this stuff:
http://www.acoustic-revive.com/engli...psa100_01.html

Example of how to use on input and output terminal uses

It is easy to have a laugh on similar tricks, that people use to change their subjective perception of sound.

But how about changing one transistor, resistor, capacitor brand or other component?
If the effect we get is not measurable or otherwise verifiable
I can not see we need to laugh less or more about these positive effects.

And a subjective effect is one effect none the less.
But can only have limited use for a few persons
.. who actually can believe in this effect and so are open for to be effected.

Lineup

[ShinOBIWAN]

Originally posted by lineup And a subjective effect is one effect none the less.
But can only have limited use for a few persons
.. who actually can believe in this effect and so are open for to be effected.[/B]

I see. Well I'm just off to my local spiritualist to get in touch with my long dead ancestors.

[lineup]

if you believe in magic
there is nothing impossible to imagine ... like talk to my dead mama, once again

[LineArray]

Hi,

i never talk to my mama, although she is - presumably - still
alive. That's real magic guys !

Kind regards

[thetubeguy1954]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by lineup
[B] And a subjective effect is one effect none the less.
But can only have limited use for a few persons ...who actually can believe in this effect and so are open for to be effected.

Lineup following that type of misconbobulated thinking, if a person had been born in outer-space on a spaceship with no gravity, and never taught about gravity then, when that spaceship landed back on earth, gravity should have no affect on that one person born in outerspace because one could state: [B] And gravitative effect is one effect none the less. But can only have limited use for a few persons ...who actually can believe in this effect and so are open for to be effected.

Of course that's a very extreme view but if you really believe in expectation bias ---{ because that's what you're describing ]--- is truly being the reason why subjective effects occur, then please explain why just the opposite of what I've been biased to expect to occur, has often been what actually occured!!! For Example I fully believed and was biased to expect not to hear a difference:

1) In 1m ICs and 3m speaker wires, yet differences I heard!
2) When applying CD treatments ---{like Auric Illuminator}--- yet differences I heard!
3) When using the VPI "Magic Brick," yet differences I heard!

Because if it's true that a subjective effect, can only effect those persons, who actually can believe in this effect and so are open for to be effected ---{as you essentially said}--- then the opposite is equally true and a subjective effect, cannot effect those persons, who actually don't believe in this effect and so are not open for to be effected!!! Yet the reality is just the opposite has occured on numerous occasions for me!

Thetubeguy1954

[analog_sa]

Originally posted by thetubeguy1954
a person had been born in outer-space on a spaceship with no gravity[/B]

This sounds like a description of Halojoy

[SY]

Because if it's true that a subjective effect, can only effect those persons, who actually can believe in this effect and so are open for to be effected ---{as you essentially said}--- then the opposite is equally true and a subjective effect, cannot effect those persons, who actually don't believe in this effect and so are not open for to be effected!!!

That turns out not to be the case. Biases are often, maybe usually, unconscious. Humans are hard-wired to seek out patterns even when none exist- we can't help it, we can't remove our unconscious biases, thus the need for controlled sensory testing to take a claimed effect beyond the level of a fairy tale.

[LineArray]

Hello Gentlemen,

though i love discussions with epistemological background,
i'd like to ask some pragmatical questions about things which
"are always done this way".

They have to do with the proximity of measurements to
"typical application" of components.

Is it near to typical application to measure the
frequency response of a speaker in an anechoic room
at 1m distance on axis ?

Is it near to typical application, to measure distortion
and other parameters of an amplifier using resistors as load ?

Is it near to typical application, to measure hifi equipment like
a tube amplifier or a turntable/tonearm/pickup standing on
a labor desk in the absence of vibration ?

... and so on

---
The typical application of HiFi components is - to me - to use
them for listening to all kinds of music we love to hear.

Kind regards

[soongsc]

Originally posted by SY


There are certainly blind people doing molecular research. I've known a few of them.

Totally blind? Or just require special equipment to see?

[SY]

Totally. One of my classmates from grad school, for example, had retinitis pigmentosa which progressed to full blindness, but became a pretty prominent laser spectroscopist. I suppose he didn't have to worry about accidental eye damage...