I don't believe cables make a difference, any input? - Page 1188

Joachim Gerhard · 9th February 2010, 03:32 AM

Actually we had concepts for the other way around, for example a good conductor on the inside like silver, then copper, then gold. I came up with the name GPS for Gold Plated Silver also the name for the european positining system.

Joachim Gerhard · 9th February 2010, 03:34 AM

the idea of that cable was to keep in inside more conducting then the outside. I kind of backwards thinking on the skinn effect.

Joachim Gerhard · 9th February 2010, 03:37 AM

the name for gold-silver alloy in german is "Elektrum". Under certain conditions it is more conductive then silver. As far as i understand the rationate pure silver with no contamination is not posible to make. The gold then fills in the otherwise poluted aereas. Very esoteric and expesive, don´t you think! Invest in my new cable company and success is guarantied in asia !

john curl · 9th February 2010, 03:43 AM

Joachim, please READ UP, before putting me in a bad spot. Almost anyone here can at least TRY to learn something new, before dismissing it. I gave a specific book and page numbers. The book is published by Springer-Verlag, and is one of dozens that I have that are in general, outside my normal 'need to know' in electronic engineering. In this case 2 specific alloys were specified: AuCu and Cu(3)Au. These specific alloys show a significantly lower resistivity than other proportions of any Au Cu alloy mixtures. There is a graph showing this to be so. Why, does this happen? Could it be useful? I only brought it up, because that is where my interests lie, not in trying to see if I can get away with something almost acceptable from the hardware store.

AJinFLA · 9th February 2010, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by john curl

Actually, I just work at another level, and it is distracting to be told that I don't know what I am researching.

Yet you continually descend from the Mount, down to the level of the mere mortals and speak at them...only to be distracted. Why?

How are we to ever sort out these mystic (audible??) cable properties, if you are always distracted?
Is this why we still have no data, but instead references to "Jack Bybee" or "pg 88"? The relevance to the audibility of cables is.....???

Steve Eddy · 9th February 2010, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by john curl

I recommend pp. 87-88 of the above book for further clarification. I am mostly interested in gold copper alloys, in this case.

You mean this?

What's the appeal here when all of the CuAu alloys have a higher resistivity than pure copper?

se

john curl · 9th February 2010, 04:04 AM

It is NOT the resistivity, per se, but the radical change in resistivity with various proportions. The mechanism may have a secondary attribute.

john curl · 9th February 2010, 04:05 AM

Thank you, however, for showing the graph.

Joachim Gerhard · 9th February 2010, 04:08 AM

Maybe low resistivity is not the only factor that makes good sound. Some of us subjectivists prefer copper to silver. In cartridge making it is a matter of fact that cartridge designers use different materials to "tune" the sound of their products. In the perfect world tuningis of cause bad but to this day i have to hear the "perfect" system.
Perfect recording, perfect listening room etc.
What is hard to argue that many times you have to intruduce a "mistake" to make a system sound well under the circumstances.
What makes we really woried here is the growing gap between "theoretists" and practinioners in the field.

Steve Eddy · 9th February 2010, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by john curl

The mechanism may have a secondary attribute.

Yeah.

Marketing.

se

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9th February 2010, 03:32 AM	#11871
Joachim Gerhard diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2009	Actually we had concepts for the other way around, for example a good conductor on the inside like silver, then copper, then gold. I came up with the name GPS for Gold Plated Silver also the name for the european positining system.

9th February 2010, 03:34 AM	#11872
Joachim Gerhard diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2009	the idea of that cable was to keep in inside more conducting then the outside. I kind of backwards thinking on the skinn effect.

9th February 2010, 03:37 AM	#11873
Joachim Gerhard diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2009	the name for gold-silver alloy in german is "Elektrum". Under certain conditions it is more conductive then silver. As far as i understand the rationate pure silver with no contamination is not posible to make. The gold then fills in the otherwise poluted aereas. Very esoteric and expesive, don´t you think! Invest in my new cable company and success is guarantied in asia !

9th February 2010, 03:43 AM	#11874
john curl diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: berkeley ca	Joachim, please READ UP, before putting me in a bad spot. Almost anyone here can at least TRY to learn something new, before dismissing it. I gave a specific book and page numbers. The book is published by Springer-Verlag, and is one of dozens that I have that are in general, outside my normal 'need to know' in electronic engineering. In this case 2 specific alloys were specified: AuCu and Cu(3)Au. These specific alloys show a significantly lower resistivity than other proportions of any Au Cu alloy mixtures. There is a graph showing this to be so. Why, does this happen? Could it be useful? I only brought it up, because that is where my interests lie, not in trying to see if I can get away with something almost acceptable from the hardware store.

9th February 2010, 04:04 AM	#11877
john curl diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: berkeley ca	It is NOT the resistivity, per se, but the radical change in resistivity with various proportions. The mechanism may have a secondary attribute.

9th February 2010, 04:05 AM	#11878
john curl diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: berkeley ca	Thank you, however, for showing the graph.

9th February 2010, 04:08 AM	#11879
Joachim Gerhard diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2009	Maybe low resistivity is not the only factor that makes good sound. Some of us subjectivists prefer copper to silver. In cartridge making it is a matter of fact that cartridge designers use different materials to "tune" the sound of their products. In the perfect world tuningis of cause bad but to this day i have to hear the "perfect" system. Perfect recording, perfect listening room etc. What is hard to argue that many times you have to intruduce a "mistake" to make a system sound well under the circumstances. What makes we really woried here is the growing gap between "theoretists" and practinioners in the field.

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