I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[thetubeguy1954]

Originally Posted by Brett

At Terry's annual GTG last October, one of the participants brung a Fostex based BLH and tube amp. Compared to Terry's, it was a Trabant.

Hello Brett! I'm sure that's your 100% honest opinion of what you heard and no one anywhere can say your opinion is wrong! Who knows "if" I ever heard my speakers in Terry's room and with his electronics I might prefer Terry's myself and Terry might prefer mine. Unlike some others I will not speak about something I haven't heard for myself. All I can tell you about is what I've heard and on my system no multi-driver speaker has been able to touch my Sachiko with its FE206ES-R drivers that have been treated by Mike Rispoli's proprietary, 5-step process. At my home it was the multi-driver speakers that sounded like a Trabant in comparion to the Sachikos. Has this exchange now resolved the issue? I don't think so.

Would something be determined if others begin posting about how nice my speakers sound and disparaged how multi-way designs sound in comparison to them at a GTG here like you just did for Terry's speakers? Would this disagreement somehow be settled or won if either Terry or I have the most posts saying our type of design sounds better than the other's?

When will people learn every speaker design has it's own unique sets of pluses and minuses? If any of the different types of speaker designs be they, multi-driver, electrostatic, single fullrange, planar-magnetic, horn or ribbon, was the best we'd all hear it sounded best and we'd all be using that design. Why do you think there are people who swear electrostatics are best at replicating music, while another will swear only a multi-way all horn system makes music. Still others swear only an all ribbon speaker will sound like real music. Then there's people who swear there's a best type of speaker at every spectrum and only a ribbon/electrostatic/dynamic driver based speaker will really make music. Still others swear by single fullrange drivers as the way to replicate music.

Finally I'll ask the real question that needs to be asked, what was the intended purpose of your post and what the heck does any of this have to do with providing any input on cables and whether or not they make a difference? You know the actual topic of this thread...

Thetubeguy1954

~Rational Subjectivism. It's An Acquired Taste!~

[auplater]

Originally Posted by Andre Visser

To my understanding they use 'monocrystal' copper to manufacture the connectors then they are plated.

So then what's the value of the "monocrystal"? Do you have any knowledge of what that really means? Do you know what the implications in physical properties of such a thing would be?

Why?

Any comprehension of what "slip" means in metallury? Burgers vectors, Frank-Read sources, screw dislocations, that sort of thing. Try googling deformation in metals, to gain some insight into the physical realities of just what a "monocrystalline copper (or silver)" wires' physical limitations in use might be, if they even existed. What do you think might happen to such a specimen when it is deformed by bending, twisting, etc.?

here's a hint. It wouldn't remain a "monocrystal" for very long.

[john curl]

Nobody has ever said that you should abuse a 'monocrystal' cable by excessively bending it. In fact, VDH warned me decades ago that I could no longer twist my power supply wires with an electric drill, as I had been taught to do in industry. That puts us about 20-30 years ahead of your research on wires.

[Steve Eddy]

Originally Posted by john curl

In fact, VDH warned me decades ago that I could no longer twist my power supply wires with an electric drill, as I had been taught to do in industry.

Shouldn't do that with ANY wire. What industry taught you to do that?

When twisting is done right (i.e. on a machine using spools or bobbins such that the spools or bobbins turn as the wire is twisted), the wire is only bent. When you use a drill, it twists the wire and the insulation.

se

[john curl]

AMPEX Research Division.

[Steve Eddy]

Originally Posted by john curl

AMPEX Research Division.

Damn.

se

[auplater]

Originally Posted by john curl

Nobody has ever said that you should abuse a 'monocrystal' cable by excessively bending it. In fact, VDH warned me decades ago that I could no longer twist my power supply wires with an electric drill, as I had been taught to do in industry. That puts us about 20-30 years ahead of your research on wires.

Your "professorial" tone comment has nothing whatsoever to do with "monocrystals" What "research" is you patronization talking about, other than a feeble attempt to discredit my comment? This is common knowledge, taught in any college materials science class.

never did that vacancy calculation, did you?

[john curl]

Seems to be news, here. But not to real wire designers. You see, we have addressed these problems and have even gone beyond, using isomorphic designs in several cases, for this very reason.
When it comes to vacancy, I am glad that you brought the subject up. While unavoidable completely, it would appear that you get less vacancies, with: material purity, and proper annealing. Lowering resistance proves this.

[event horizon]

Originally Posted by thetubeguy1954

Hello Event!

Fact is back in the late 70's early 80's I almost bought the Yamaha NS1000 speakers but, after some careful audtioning, I believed the Infinity Reference Standard 2.5 Speakers I purchased were the better choice to be used with my Infinity FET preamp/HK Citation 16a combo.

What might really surprise you is I actually considered buying the Yamaha NS1000 while I still owned the Aliantes. I've still have never heard a multi-driver speaker that uses crossovers sound as harmonically and timbrelly correct as my present Sachiko/FE206ES-R but, unlike some others I always keep an open mind. So I'd definitely be willing to listen to a pair of the Yamaha NS1000speakers in my system "if" the opportunity ever presented itself for myself to do so!

Thetubeguy1954

~Rational Subjectivism. It's An Acquired Taste!~

Having never heard any of the Infinity speakers with the EMIT & midrange i couldn't comment, i think you probably made a wise choice though considering the amplification you had at the time The NS's are ruthlessly revealing, you'd definately know you were listening to a class B or AB amp due to the NS's tweeter which is pistonic up to 27Khz. Funny that top manufacturers (Focal JM lab, Paradigm etc) have only cottoned onto Beryllium as a driver material in the last 5 or so years when Yamaha where using it in the late 70s.

Yes i'd suggest that given the opportunity you get to listen to a pair on the valve poweramp of yours, i'm sure you'd be pleasantly surprised..

Back to the wires, sorry

Mark.

[auplater]

Originally Posted by john curl

While unavoidable completely, it would appear that you get less vacancies, with: material purity, and proper annealing. Lowering resistance proves this.

Appears you're shooting from the hip as usual... mindless generalizations and dodging the question.

Nominal 10 gauge annealed type 102 copper (wire copper) would yield at a few tens #'s stress, not hard at all to achieve in normal use. pretty limp stuff. Ever here of work hardening?

Can't figure out the calculation, eh? Thought so.