I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[Salas]

Originally posted by Andre Visser


Salas, I've listened to cable of the same topology but different conductor material (copper and silver) and that influence the sound, so I'm not convinced that the interfaces make (all) the difference.

I did not talk materials. That's another state. That is why I wrote 'far less'.

[Brett]

Originally posted by salas

But cables is an ongoing process, not an old myth. People do change cables everyday. They must be getting some sonic change. Its highly probable at least.

It's far, far more probable that they believe they are experiencing a change, not that one is actually taking place.

Originally posted by salas
I remember the electronics professor in my tech uni saying 'everything in analog electronics is a filter'.

Sure, but the degree of filtration effects by audio cable unless there is some gross and overt mismatch will be negligible.

I find 'burn-in' of cables to be hilarious.

[gareth]

Originally posted by salas



Wrote it before. Far less, means not 'same'. We can cut on 'proper' filtering parameters.

Again, a rigorous and quantifiable test with clear definitions needs to be devised to solve this argument as I feel it is one that will never go away, probably even after scientific investigation.

Perception is the key word here too. As I have stated before unless the conductor changes its atomic state then there can be no such thing as burn-in. I know that my cables are running way cooler than 800C.

Gareth

Edit.. but I suppose if Simon Cowell and his gang found their way into my sytem then temperatures would probably exceed that

[Salas]

Originally posted by Brett
It's far, far more probable that they believe they are experiencing a change, not that one is actually taking place. Sure, but the degree of filtration effects by audio cable unless there is some gross and overt mismatch will be negligible.

I find 'burn-in' of cables to be hilarious.

It could be, but even in mass delirium, someone wakes up by chance and knocks the others with his elbow. Something is going on with cables. It takes serious investigation. First to secure the phenomena, and then analyze the mechanisms.

[gareth]

Hi salas,
If you believe in cable burn-in and you have studied electronics at university level then can you logically suggest what mechanisms are at play here?

Gareth

[Brett]

Originally posted by salas
It could be, but even in mass delirium, someone wakes up by chance and knocks the others with his elbow. Something is going on with cables. It takes serious investigation. First to secure the phenomena, and then analyze the mechanisms.

The delusion is not mass, because the purchasers are physically isolated from one another. Wake up! cable effects are trivial and burn in non-existent.

How is it that we are capable of measurements of incredible resolution, but cables simply defy these measurements, and no one ever proposes anything to reasonably use as a substitute?

[Salas]

Brett, make an experiment. Do you have some Belden or Canare or Mogami XLR, same length, handy? Or whatever make, just different maker. Get a mic wired up and feed it to a desk. Have someone you really know his voice to sing a bit. Just change the wire. Get him to sing again. Is his tone indistinguishably the same? Get some others from the crew to say their opinion if you can.

[Brett]

The differences in the individual performances in each test will swamp out the cable differences.

* I have tons of Belden and (mostly) Mogami mic and instrument leads here. I have never heard a difference even in controlled comparisons such as using a CD as source, which will at least be identical, unlike someone singing.

What measurements do you propose to show a difference between cables?

[Salas]

No, the tone is tone. You can do it live. You know a Shure from a Sennheiser, you know George or John. George is far more uncompressed and unprocessed and familiar than Linkin Park.

P.S. If you see back in the posts, I say there must be something, not there is something. I also say there must be scientific approach at last in the industry about cable phenomena (humancentric or not) so to have a technical basis or a final conclusion. Be it positive or negative.
I am just open, not conclusive.
Asking me about measuring audible differences in cabling is like asking a tourist for the ancestors of the locals. I am not a cable investigator.
I just make logical way.

[Brett]

Originally posted by salas
No, the tone is tone. You can do it live. You know a Shure from a Sennheiser, you know George or John.

Sure, there are large audible differences between microphones, some specifically engineered in, but there are no such differences between cables.