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Old 25th July 2009, 03:38 PM   #1
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Default Help Me Choose project Please!

Here is my Story..
I am in the research of which project to build now and 3-4 months and i Do need your help guys!
I have to say that i dont have knowledge around measurments. graphs etc.I only know what sounds great in my ears and what not! So please dont bomb me with measure this and measure that!

So far i ve built 2-3 pairs of 2 way speakers but always the result is dissapointing in terms of sound quality.So i decided to go for an already made project that works!
In my house i have a pair of CIVIL speakers ( http://www.emimikos.gr/shop/product....cat=492&page=1 ) and i am quite satisfied.
I dont have the golden ears to see the diferences in high end audio, i just want a few things from my system and i ll try to explain.

1st: The speakers i need must be efficient, meaning that they will play maybe 8-10 hours a day, every day. they will be driven with about 20-50 Watts RMS

2nd: I want great overall tonal balance! I hate toooo much bass and i hate toooo shiny highs! For example a friend of mine has a pair of B&W DM601 speakers (the ones with the golden tweeter), very detailed sound but too "thin" sound for my needs.It lacks filled bass reproduction

3rd: i would like them to be able to play quite loud with as less distortion as possible.

4th: I would like them to look fancy!I am not attravted by black usual woofers or tweeters!I would like to see something special in my eyes! Scanpeaks ring radiator tweeters look very attractive in my eyes and woofers with bullet type dustcaps etc look also super!

5th: I want to spend MAXIMUM 300euros for the parts i need for both speakers.

6th: I think i liKE monitor sound..

I dont worry about box construction as my best friend is the best carpenter in my island and everything will be made for free!

My source will be a PC with on board soundcard, i listen all day on line radio stations and 192-320Kbps Mp3s..But i want it to be able to perform great when a better source is used in the near future!.

one kit i am looking and seems attractive is the Hi-Vi Research Melody from Solen.ca but i want to see for something else too as sensitivity seems to be very low and it is too costly (shipping) ..to buy from USA-Canada. (cant find Hi-Vi in EU shops) European shops are prefered.

Thats some of my thoughts. We will talk about more in the progress!
Thanks in advance for all your comments!
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Old 25th July 2009, 06:09 PM   #2
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hello.
here are a few links for looking around............
www.intertechnik.de
www.oaudio.de
www.lautsprechershop.de
www.visaton.de
www.monacor.com
www.audioaktiv.at
greetings.................
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Old 25th July 2009, 08:34 PM   #3
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Take a look at the Marcatos. They are a 2way MTM that uses the Usher 8945P and the B&G neo3pdrw tweeter in a transmission line enclosure. These are a little over you budget, but well worth it, IMO, about 433 Euro's in drivers and crossover parts.. I did the crossover design and Paul Kittinger did the rest, including the TL. At a recent DIY event, in my opinion, which was shared by most of the attendees I talked to, they bested some high end MTM's, the HT2, by Salk Sound (over $2000/pair, IIRC). Below are some links to comments and information about them. I've tried to attach a pdf write up of them, but I'm not sure if it will work. Contact me with your email and I can send it to you.

http://techtalk.parts-express.com/sh...light=Marcatos
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Old 25th July 2009, 09:19 PM   #4
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hmm i forgot to mention something important..i want a bookself speaker...not a floorstander.
Something like 1 x 6" - 7" paired with a tweeter might be ok!
Also a box aprox 15-20 lts is maybe the max i want to use.
Purely due to space limitations
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Old 25th July 2009, 09:38 PM   #5
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by the way Marcatos looks really nice!Lovely speaker!
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Old 26th July 2009, 12:10 AM   #6
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Tony Gee's Hatt SE or Hatt MKIII fits most of your requirements, the fancy looks are up to your carpenter I suppose...

I built a pair of the MKIII's for about 350 Euros, using Goertz inductors and Clarity Cap SA caps. A very, very versatile design, great with tubes (up to a reasonable volume), ss as well as PC.

Another route could be single driver, Planet10's website will give you some ideas in that area.

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Old 26th July 2009, 07:00 AM   #7
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Hatt MKIII certainly looks attractive but i think i would like slightly biger and stronger. All 4-5 inch woofer setups that i ve heard seem to me slightly small. I ll explain, i ve a friend that owns a Car HiFi store and Home theater setups. So i had the chance to listen to some speakers mainly small speakers using 4" and 5" woofers. I was disapointed or at best not satisfied almost by all the setups.one speaker that i liked listening to was Magnat Quantum 703 but it uses a 6" woofer. and anothewr speaker that actualy SHOCKED me both for its sound but also with its price was the ATC SCM-19. A radio producer wanted the ATC's for his studio so i was lucky that i had the chance to listen to them driven by an old big NAD amp (I didnt note model.i think about 100WRMS)
As for Planet10's Fonken really looks attractive to me but i am slightly afraid of low freq reproduction.Ok i dont want it toooo deep and too powerfull but at least i want it tight and i d love to hear it going a bit low. From what i read around Full range designs arent the best in low freq reproduction. Please correct me if i am wrong, or maybe i ve listened to the wrong speakers.
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Old 26th July 2009, 02:31 PM   #8
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The HATTs are small, but if constructed correctly do sound excellent, giving the pair I built up was difficult... until the next project...

The Fonken is indeed not the last word in bass, it's best when utilized with a good subwoofer, but I thought it may fit the bill in light of the parameters you set.

That said, it's your thread; have a look at Troels Gravesen, his designs are wide ranging, though the 300 Euro limit will quickly be reached here. ZaphAudio is another great designer, a specialist in getting the most "bang for your buck". I've built a few of their designs over the years but nothing within 300 Euro. Several of these designs have been built by forum members so technical assistance should be easy to find.

One final thought: Maybe a slightly larger full range will do, it would fit within your budget and there are no cross over parts to buy! Look at 6 or even 8 inch full range designs.

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Old 27th July 2009, 02:47 AM   #9
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some good value 2-ways on Jay's site, my pick:
http://www.geocities.com/woove99/Spk...s_HDS_2Way.htm
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Old 27th July 2009, 05:51 AM   #10
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Guys thank you all for your valuable help..
From what i ve seen the lit tha looks very interesting in my eyes is
this: http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/SEAS_CA18RLY-COMPACT.htm

Using Seas CA18RLY and Seas 22TAF/G tweeter. I did a small research and these drivers seem to perform quite well!

PeteMcK the speaker u told me definitely looks great but i dont seem to be able to find the speakers in Europe...
So any other info up to the end of the week is really welcome!
Monday i order!
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