Pro vs hifi drivers - pros and cons?

[doug20]

Yes, I apologize. I just hope it goes both ways and I guess its just me but Andre Visser seems to attack in every post talking down to others like we are beneath him in audio, hecked he even posted calling me arrogant (Pot,Kettle...). Im just a guy that will hit back online or in the real world.....if it all stays on topic then Im on topic.

[Robh3606]

Incidentally from the JBL Pro website it really appears that they are completely out of the raw driver business. Everything I know anything about is listed as discontinued.

You can get more than you think from the site. You just have to know where to look. But yes they are discontining some of their drivers and the ones that are left are not cheap. Shame really.

http://www.jblproservice.com/pdf/Tra...cer%20List.pdf

Rob

[markus76]

Originally Posted by doug20

HT is where ALL future growth is and 2 channel will be stuck in death valley with vinyl.

That's true and I hope that the music industry will soon start adopting standards set by the film industry. Music reproduction would benefit tremendously from surround channels. Stereo just can't deliver that kind of spaciousness (LEV and ASW) in a controlled manner - controlled by the recording and not by mere chance (recording-speaker-room interaction). Even in the days of Blumlein the people at Bell Labs felt the need for a center channel to overcome the various drawbacks of phantom images (stability, localization errors, tonality) - this was 80 (!) years ago.

Best, Markus

[Pano]

I like multi-channel too. But for home use 4 or 5 are plenty for me. (even thought I have heard systems that used over 100 - yes really).
And ditto the mastering standards. It would be great if there actually were a standard in music. Maybe some day.

[Andre Visser]

Originally Posted by doug20

Another subjective post from you, zero evidence to back up that one again.

Doesn't need backup, its a well known fact.

Originally Posted by doug20

HT is all about high SQ also, if you think our goals are different it again proves how you have your head stuck in the audiophile critical listening world that is dying (Thankfully!). Yes, its guys like you that make me love when another 2 channel store shutsdown. You may think Im arrogant but Im on the side of the average consumer who wants top quality and uses science to get it. I defend them against guys like you and your comments like "Must not have a good enough system", "Must not have trained ears", "Must buy equipment from furniture stores", "HT doesnt care about SQ"......blah, blah, blah. I wonder if your sound system costs more then your car....typical

If you learn to read you will notice that all of the quotes you've made are distorted to suit your story, wake up and stop your arrogance, it is not needed. According to me, the whole HT craze were started by manufacturers to make money, based on SQ little science were involved.

I've bought my first HT system in 1995, it was impressive for watching movies but were seriously lacking when listening to music. After that I've bought the first Rotel pre-processor that were available here and used seperate 250W amplifiers for each channel, nice but still lacking with music. Then replaced the Rotel with a Sunfire TG4 processor, that sounded quite good with music as long as the DSP were bypassed , after that I've tried listening to movies with my stereo system and the Sunfire wasn't used ever since.

No my system doesn't cost more than my car but perhaps only because I've designed and build everything myself, except for my CD Player (which are far from standard also)...... typical?

Originally Posted by doug20

HT is where ALL future growth is and 2 channel will be stuck in death valley with vinyl.

If you say so. Strange that more and more of those I know are moving back to stereo or at least use a seperate stereo system for music. I hope both survive because I guess everybody is allowed to do what they like most.

[45]

It's nearly 30 years people foretell the death of vinyl, claim the superior performance of latest technology etc. etc. but then when it comes to judge the real musical performance of any kind digital stuff vinyl is The Reference. That's really funny!
The same for 2 channel systems....

[Andre Visser]

Originally Posted by doug20

Yes, I apologize. I just hope it goes both ways and I guess its just me but Andre Visser seems to attack in every post talking down to others like we are beneath him in audio, hecked he even posted calling me arrogant (Pot,Kettle...). Im just a guy that will hit back online or in the real world.....if it all stays on topic then Im on topic.

Just go back to your post #13 at the beginning of this thread and rethink that statement.

Pro vs hifi drivers - pros and cons?

[markus76]

Originally Posted by Andre Visser

According to me, the whole HT craze were started by manufacturers to make money, based on SQ little science were involved.

Wow, looks like you missed a lot of psychoacoustic studies. A good start would be to go through the references section at the end of this paper: http://harman.com/EN-US/OurCompany/T...ions/13686.pdf

Best, Markus

[markus76]

Originally Posted by 45

It's nearly 30 years people foretell the death of vinyl, claim the superior performance of latest technology etc. etc. but then when it comes to judge the real musical performance of any kind digital stuff vinyl is The Reference.

Says who? Vinyl is just pure nostalgia. Do you know of any newer LP that did not go through a single AD/DA conversion in the production process?

Best, Markus

[45]

Originally Posted by markus76

Says who? Vinyl is just pure nostalgia.

Best, Markus

That's your opinion.
In the meantime CD will die before Vinyl and SACD is already dead. Have a look at the sales.....