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Old 13th July 2009, 07:32 PM   #11
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If the box size is not a problem I suggest you a 6,5"

Monacor SPH170

You can cross above 3000/3500Hz without problem

The bass is more better than Beyma 8BR40 ( itīs only a good midbass, but forget deep bass)

The SPH170 have more deep and controled bass in 40 liters than more 8", the sound is more similar to paper cones than polypropilene and you can cross with 1st or 2nd orden crossover, then you have many tweeters options

With an 0,82 or 1 mH it can be easy compensated BaffleStep

( and Yes, I read thath you are searching an 8", sorry for the intromission)
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Old 13th July 2009, 11:14 PM   #12
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If the box size is not a problem I suggest you a 6,5"

Monacor SPH170


Funny that the new and probably better SPH-176 is cheaper

I plan to try the SPH-176 in a pair of Lowther horns I have in the garage
I will use some very cheap cone tweeters

But I dont think Monacor is available in US

Which reminds me of Jantzen JA8008
They are sold in US
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/JA8008.htm
http://www.e-speakers.com/-strse-357...008/Detail.bok

Tangbands latest underhung midwoofers with good Xmax, shortrings etc, could be a cheap alternative
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Old 14th July 2009, 02:57 AM   #13
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I couldn't recommend the Jantzen in good conscience, considering that its basically ca22rnx with a foam surround and stronger magnet. You can get a lot of woofer for $345 ea.

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Old 14th July 2009, 08:26 AM   #14
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Originally posted by MJS
If the box size is not a problem I suggest you a 6,5"

Monacor SPH170

You can cross above 3000/3500Hz without problem

The bass is more better than Beyma 8BR40 ( itīs only a good midbass, but forget deep bass)

The SPH170 have more deep and controled bass in 40 liters than more 8", the sound is more similar to paper cones than polypropilene and you can cross with 1st or 2nd orden crossover, then you have many tweeters options

With an 0,82 or 1 mH it can be easy compensated BaffleStep

( and Yes, I read thath you are searching an 8", sorry for the intromission)
Did you test the Beyma in a closed box?
What kind of surround is on this speaker, SPH170 (I get conflicted information)?

Also on my list of reference 8" drivers are:
The Volt studio range BM220.8 (plastic cone w/min. colouration, price?)
Vifa 21WN 340/8 (~93,00 Euro)
Note: also consider the Visaton GF 200 2 x 4 OHM (not paper). After all I believe you will find the best paper cone of all.
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Old 14th July 2009, 05:15 PM   #15
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Yes, and old project with 8BR40 and Monacor SPH60 X (FullRange) crossed at 300 Hz in a 25/30 liters closed box, the bass is not deep, a very nice sound about 100 Hz, very good midbass from 100Hz to 400/500 Hz but no more

Depending on yours probably you need a Sub

I have lost the measurements in a PC change, sorry

I like very much the sound of paperīs cones, in a four way system the 8BR40 it will be one of the first drivers but no more, the surround is good (sorry for my english, i think is called rubber surround)

Iīm spanish, its easy for me buy Beyma drivers but i had many deceptions with this drivers, please consider other options or you will need a Sub or other driver

An 8" for a two way is always a difficult decission, usually itīs possible but you may consider the dificulties of crossover

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Old 14th July 2009, 06:35 PM   #16
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Its also possible to use a 10" or 12" with a small fullrange

Supertweeter?
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Old 14th July 2009, 07:28 PM   #17
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Hi Stoc005,
I'm sure in your 8" driver research you found Zaph's tests?

I use the Peerless 830884, it is an absolutely excellent driver. My next top choices would be the Seas CA22RNX, and the Usher 8147A, which isn't paper cone at all, but it does perform well and the look of the cone is certainly unique.
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Old 15th July 2009, 02:47 AM   #18
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Have you checked out the Seas p 21 rf/p (h511) ? I know you wanted paper and this ones poly but its flat out to 2k and can be crossed as high as 3k And as always there is the seas build quality, plus in a 1.2 cu ft box you'll get a f3 of 40hz. Not bad for one driver and on special at madisound 59.00 ea.
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Old 17th July 2009, 09:53 AM   #19
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http://www.madisound.com/catalog/pro...oducts_id=8638
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Old 17th July 2009, 03:26 PM   #20
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A cheap 8 inch paper cone woofer for a bassreflex is the Monacor SPH 212. Digs flat to 30Hz, but I don't know how high it really plays since I've only used it as a sub.

http://www.bmm-electronics.com/Produ...roduct_ID=5529

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