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Old 1st February 2009, 03:26 PM   #11
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To add to what Shaun said, Speaker workshop is worthless because it doesn't let you use imported phase. Even Speaker workshop or Passive Crossover Designer let you use measured impedance frequency response and phase and they are free.
I think you meant: "To add to what Ron E said, XOver Pro is worthless because it doesn't let you use imported phase."
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I know that Chris from Solen Electronics in Canada uses the X-over 3 Pro for doing cross-over designs for his company, so it cant be that bad of a program.

Have you looked at some of their crossovers?

I don't know about Sound Easy, but Speaker Workshop has a pretty steep learning curve and requires a lot of setup to have it running right. It's free and is very functional when you get the hang of it.
The jig is a bit of a stumbling block, as is the mic preamp and measurement mic but I don't think Sound Easy comes with one either (am I wrong?).
I built an all-in-one jig that has an adaptation of the Wallin jig, a battery powered mic preamp and an LM3886 based power amp (low power). It is a convenient package and makes the process less of an ordeal.

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I think you meant: "To add to what Ron E said, XOver Pro is worthless because it doesn't let you use imported phase."
Yes I did. I really messed that one up. Thanks for catching that.

Regarding the Wallin jig for speaker workshop, I never saw the need for that. If you choose to do impedance meausrements with SoundEasy (or SpeakerWorkshop) a simple voltage divider can be put right inline with your cable. In any case the poster has the wooferr tester so I would assume he would be using that for t/s measurements.

SoundEasy, just like LspCad, Leap, Praxis, Clio etc is an engineering tool. To get the most out of it, you need to understand what you are doing when designing a speaker.

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I built an all-in-one jig that has an adaptation of the Wallin jig, a battery powered mic preamp and an LM3886 based power amp (low power). It is a convenient package and makes the process less of an ordeal.
That is pretty cool John!

My Jig is just a little plastic box with a voltage divider and two switches. It works but it is a bit of a pain and I always thought about adding a small amp, but never did so.

I agree that these programs can have a steep learning curve. Getting one's feet wet with something like Speaker Workshop can help someone decide whether they want to spend the money on something a little more user friendly.
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Yes I did. I really messed that one up. Thanks for catching that.

Regarding the Wallin jig for speaker workshop, I never saw the need for that. If you choose to do impedance meausrements with SoundEasy (or SpeakerWorkshop) a simple voltage divider can be put right inline with your cable. In any case the poster has the wooferr tester so I would assume he would be using that for t/s measurements.

SoundEasy, just like LspCad, Leap, Praxis, Clio etc is an engineering tool. To get the most out of it, you need to understand what you are doing when designing a speaker.

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Wanting to know if I would have to build some type of jig to go along with the SE for measuring speaker parameters or could I just use my WT3? Also, where is the best place to order it?

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Have you looked at some of their crossovers?


Yes I have, and would have to agree that they are quickly calculated using x-over 3 pro with bass box program all from harris technologies! I do have quite a few drivers that I would like to design a good set up for them. One set of drivers in particuliar are the Dynaudio D-260 tweeters and the D-76AF midranges. There are other drivers as well that need better design work than what x-over 3 pro can offer. I would guess that I will have to order the SE program and begin a new journey!

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Have you looked at some of their crossovers?


Yes I have, and would have to agree that they are quickly calculated using x-over 3 pro with bass box program all from harris technologies! I do have quite a few drivers that I would like to design a good set up for them. One set of drivers in particuliar are the Dynaudio D-260 tweeters and the D-76AF midranges. There are other drivers as well that need better design work than what x-over 3 pro can offer. I would guess that I will have to order the SE program and begin a new journey!

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You can use your WT3 to do all your impedance ant t/s measurements. As for making a jig for SE, you can get by with a simple cable with aligator clips on the ends and a single resistor in series with one of the clips. John K's users guide spells this all out.

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You can use your WT3 to do all your impedance ant t/s measurements. As for making a jig for SE, you can get by with a simple cable with aligator clips on the ends and a single resistor in series with one of the clips. John K's users guide spells this all out.

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Where can I get John K's user guide? Also will this guide help me to set the program up?

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Where can I get John K's user guide? Also will this guide help me to set the program up?

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http://www.musicanddesign.com/Guide.html

It will take you all the way from setting preferences in the software, though making probe cables, taking measurements, designing the XO etc. Well worth the $10.95.

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http://www.musicanddesign.com/Guide.html

It will take you all the way from setting preferences in the software, though making probe cables, taking measurements, designing the XO etc. Well worth the $10.95.

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Dennis

Thanks Dennis! Just wondering if I could contact you via phone?
If so, please PM me.

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